FACE OF THE PROGRAM: JUNE JONES

[PK]

Just for the hell of it, let's look at what we did in the 80's with a little different twist. The word cheating implies that you are doing something others are not (because it's against the rules) and thus get an unfair advantage. What we were doing was breaking NCAA rules, which was a violation worthy of punishment, but then so was everyone else.

In other words, we weren't winning because we were cheating (breaking the rules that the others weren't)...we were winning because we were able to get better players while playing by the same virtual rules everyone else was playing by (i.e., the level playing field). Breaking the NCAA rules was the norm in the SWC at that time and we were just damn better at it.

I'm not saying that justifies what we did or makes it alright, just putting a different twist on it for conversation purposes.

[PonySnob]

Wouldn't it be great if JJ stood before the incoming freshmen at orientation this year and told them that he wants them to be in Ford Stadium on gameday to support the Mustangs?

Haven't the coaches pleaded with the students to show up to games before?

[mathman]

Just for the hell of it, let's look at what we did in the 80's with a little different twist. The word cheating implies that you are doing something others are not (because it's against the rules) and thus get an unfair advantage. What we were doing was breaking NCAA rules, which was a violation worthy of punishment, but then so was everyone else.

In other words, we weren't winning because we were cheating (breaking the rules that the others weren't)...we were winning because we were able to get better players while playing by the same virtual rules everyone else was playing by (i.e., the level playing field). Breaking the NCAA rules was the norm in the SWC at that time and we were just damn better at it.

I'm not saying that justifies what we did or makes it alright, just putting a different twist on it for conversation purposes.

It worries me that that sounds logical to me.

[SMU Football Blog]

If it were up to me all incoming students would have an aggie-esque indoctrination including a trip to Heritage Hall, but then again, they keep refusing to make me Emperor of SMU.

How does "Mayor of the Boulevard" sound?

[redpony]

Just for the hell of it, let's look at what we did in the 80's with a little different twist. The word cheating implies that you are doing something others are not (because it's against the rules) and thus get an unfair advantage. What we were doing was breaking NCAA rules, which was a violation worthy of punishment, but then so was everyone else.

In other words, we weren't winning because we were cheating (breaking the rules that the others weren't)...we were winning because we were able to get better players while playing by the same virtual rules everyone else was playing by (i.e., the level playing field). Breaking the NCAA rules was the norm in the SWC at that time and we were just damn better at it.

I'm not saying that justifies what we did or makes it alright, just putting a different twist on it for conversation purposes.

And the end result was nothing less than 'SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT' by the NCAA bozos in Shawnee Mission. Heaven forbid they should ever discipline a school like UT or aTm.


GO PONIES!!!

[Stallion]

and what exactly was the NCAA supposed to do after catching SMU in serious violations 5 times in 10 years and when it received information that the Chairman of the Board of Govenors, the ad hoc group of prominent alumni that ran the Board of Govenors, the President of the University, the AD and the Head Coach were all fully informed that SMU had made a decision to completely ignore the NCAA because it had a payroll to meet. If anything it was selective coverage by Dallas media outlets but not one person on this site can deny that the NCAA had sufficient evidence to fully support the punishment. That's the difference between the SMU case and the others.

[MrMustang1965]

They keep refusing to make me Emperor of SMU.

It's because you don't have new clothes.

[jtstang]

The word cheating implies that you are doing something others are not (because it's against the rules) and thus get an unfair advantage.

Wrong. Cheating is cheating whether others are doing it or not. The only valid thing in your sentence is in the parenthetical.

SMU got what it deserved.

[PK]

The word cheating implies that you are doing something others are not (because it's against the rules) and thus get an unfair advantage.

Wrong. Cheating is cheating whether others are doing it or not. The only valid thing in your sentence is in the parenthetical.

SMU got what it deserved.

I knew I could count on you jt. Yep, we were breaking NCAA rules...flagrantly...and deserved to be punished, and we were. However, my point was that the cheating was not why we were beating the snot out of A&M, UT and TCU...IT WAS THAT WE HAD GOTTEN BETTER PLAYERS USING THE SAME RECRUITING TACTICS THEY WERE USING...the playing field of recruiting in the SWC was level and we were better at it. ...so to speak.

[PlanoStang]

I'll nominate Jerry LeVias with the power color red for the helmet






Oh yeah, the Doaker wore red helmets too

[PlanoStang]

The word cheating implies that you are doing something others are not (because it's against the rules) and thus get an unfair advantage.

Wrong. Cheating is cheating whether others are doing it or not. The only valid thing in your sentence is in the parenthetical.

SMU got what it deserved.

I knew I could count on you jt. Yep, we were breaking NCAA rules...flagrantly...and deserved to be punished, and we were. However, my point was that the cheating was not why we were beating the snot out of A&M, UT and TCU...IT WAS THAT WE HAD GOTTEN BETTER PLAYERS USING THE SAME RECRUITING TACTICS THEY WERE USING...the playing field of recruiting in the SWC was level and we were better at it. ...so to speak.

The word SCAPEGOAT comes to mind.

[redpony]

I do not condone cheating in any form or fashion. However, shortly after DP aTm was caught with numerous infractions by Jackie S. and the NCAA chose to ignore them. IIRC one was paying a player with personql checks from JS. His excuse was that he was only helping a player in need. Of course the NCAA will never have the 'cajones" to penalize a major school- they are afraid of the big schools.

GO PONIES!!!!

[MrMustang1965]

The word cheating implies that you are doing something others are not (because it's against the rules) and thus get an unfair advantage.

Wrong. Cheating is cheating whether others are doing it or not. The only valid thing in your sentence is in the parenthetical.

SMU got what it deserved.

I knew I could count on you jt. Yep, we were breaking NCAA rules...flagrantly...and deserved to be punished, and we were. However, my point was that the cheating was not why we were beating the snot out of A&M, UT and TCU...IT WAS THAT WE HAD GOTTEN BETTER PLAYERS USING THE SAME RECRUITING TACTICS THEY WERE USING...the playing field of recruiting in the SWC was level and we were better at it. ...so to speak.

The word SCAPEGOAT comes to mind.

[PlanoStang]

Yup, usually involving your little brother who can't talk real great yet.

In adult terms, someone who lacks the monetary means to seek legal
counsel for a long term fight against someone with monetary means.

[jtstang]

The word cheating implies that you are doing something others are not (because it's against the rules) and thus get an unfair advantage.

Wrong. Cheating is cheating whether others are doing it or not. The only valid thing in your sentence is in the parenthetical.

SMU got what it deserved.

I knew I could count on you jt. Yep, we were breaking NCAA rules...flagrantly...and deserved to be punished, and we were. However, my point was that the cheating was not why we were beating the snot out of A&M, UT and TCU...IT WAS THAT WE HAD GOTTEN BETTER PLAYERS USING THE SAME RECRUITING TACTICS THEY WERE USING...the playing field of recruiting in the SWC was level and we were better at it. ...so to speak.

Well, what you said was that it implies you are doing something others aren't...and that's not correct. Even if everybody is doing it, it's still cheating. That was my point.

And the people who whine about selective enforcement and scapegoats are obviously speaking anecdotally and have never really studied the facts of the death penalty case against SMU.