KC Radio: Big 10 EXTENDS OFFERS TO 4 SCHOOLS

[Dwan]

My point was pretty obvious no?

[gostangs]

My point in using K state was that there is a difference between a school that puts out numbers (and not really all that big numbers) and schools like SMU that put out smaller numbers but great demographics and a major market. It is not always how many, but who they are. K state delivers nothing really - bad school in a nowhere market with not all that many grads. If there is a total reshuffle they may not fare much better then us. There are others that fall in that category that have been drafting in conferences that are going to be broken apart.

[Stallion]

that's not a fair characterization of Kansas St. I do believe they brought something like 44,000 fans when they went to the Cotton Bowl fairly recently. That's probably more SMU fans than drove down the street to see the Pony Express in our last Cotton Bowl appearance. They are geographically in trouble with this realignment but there really is no legitimate argument that a BCS Conference would ever consider SMU over Kansas St. Maybe unfair to poor old private schools but its a fact based upon what BCS Conferences are looking for.

[RGV Pony]

that's not a fair characterization of Kansas St. I do believe they brought something like 44,000 fans when they went to the Cotton Bowl fairly recently.

1996 vs BYU

[gostangs]

Im not arguing total numbers - im arguing demographics. If you are selling land rovers - are you better off getting in front of 20k K Staters or 10k SMUers? You would pick SMU every time. There are many advertisers (aka TV time buyers) that would make that choice due to demographics - not just raw numbers. Corporate media time buyers are much more thinly sliced and focused then they used to be - they know exactly who they want to be in front of and how to get to them.

Also we have ACCESS to a great deal corporate money if we can get er rolling again - we have not seen it in awhile since our product has been dificient - but it is starting to show up again. Many others do not have that option. So My original point is there is more to the possiblility that SMU makes a cut of some sort then most think - we have more to offer then our size and 5 yr win/loss history would lead you to believe.

[huskerpony]

I understand those sentiments and wish they were true--as does almost everyone on this board--but that is the hard sell that our administrators are going to have to go out and try to make. Problem is they can put a Kansas State game against almost anyone on national television and at least some people will watch. A game between K St and Baylor can go on Versus and get a half-way decent rating if nothing else huge is on against it. An SMU-Baylor game would have trouble pulling a half-way decent rating in Dallas.....or even a crowd in Dallas.

But here's all that really needs to be said:
When a Kansas State alum tells someone they went to "K State," how many people do you think respond with "where's that?" or "is that Kentucky State?"

[EastStang]

Then I guess Dallas Baptist is looking good right now. I think the argument for SMU to an SEC or other conference is value. We're a cheaper alternative to allow you to get a toehold into Texas than adding UT or A&M who are going to ask for the moon. Further, we will be less likely to make your conference even a tougher meat grinder than it already is to get to the National Championship game. Same argument could be made to the PAC-10. What do they want? Access to Texas recruiting and expansion of the conference brand into another large state. Add SMU and Rice and you have teams in the two largest cities in Texas that won't cost you an arm and leg. Put one in the northern division one in the southern division, and there will be access to these markets for the entire conference. Sure, we don't have a fan base at this point, but that just means more seats for your fans for a road game (ask Vandy about how many Tennessee fans descend on Nashville when they play). Ya think LSU fans would come en mass to Houston? Ya think that Arkansas fans would come en mass to Dallas? And if we have a magical season (like Vandy did a few years back), the place will be rocking red and blue. And don't tell me that fans won't turn on the set to see Alabama - SMU.

[mathman]

I made that point on another thread. I agree with your logic.

[East Coast Mustang]

Then I guess Dallas Baptist is looking good right now. I think the argument for SMU to an SEC or other conference is value. We're a cheaper alternative to allow you to get a toehold into Texas than adding UT or A&M who are going to ask for the moon. Further, we will be less likely to make your conference even a tougher meat grinder than it already is to get to the National Championship game. Same argument could be made to the PAC-10. What do they want? Access to Texas recruiting and expansion of the conference brand into another large state. Add SMU and Rice and you have teams in the two largest cities in Texas that won't cost you an arm and leg. Put one in the northern division one in the southern division, and there will be access to these markets for the entire conference. Sure, we don't have a fan base at this point, but that just means more seats for your fans for a road game (ask Vandy about how many Tennessee fans descend on Nashville when they play). Ya think LSU fans would come en mass to Houston? Ya think that Arkansas fans would come en mass to Dallas? And if we have a magical season (like Vandy did a few years back), the place will be rocking red and blue. And don't tell me that fans won't turn on the set to see Alabama - SMU.

SMU brings absolutely ZERO TV value- NONE. The misconception that we somehow bring the DFW market is just that, a misconception. Texas, OU, A&M, and Tech all dominate this market- NOT us. We would just be another mouth to feed when the pot gets split up between schools when the TV money gets doled out, and I don't think the SEC or Pac-10 are non-profit charitable organizations aimed at financially supporting small private religious universities. Let's get real.

[CalallenStang]

SMU brings absolutely ZERO TV value- NONE. The misconception that we somehow bring the DFW market is just that, a misconception. Texas, OU, A&M, and Tech all dominate this market- NOT us. We would just be another mouth to feed when the pot gets split up between schools when the TV money gets doled out, and I don't think the SEC or Pac-10 are non-profit charitable organizations aimed at financially supporting small private religious universities. Let's get real.

I generally agree with you, but for a conference with its own TV network that doesn't have at least two of the four schools listed, SMU (and TCU, and UNT) do have some TV value - they help get that dedicated network on to expanded basic cable (something that hasn't happened to "the mtn" despite TCU - I think with SMU and TCU in the MWC the mtn would be on expanded basic cable) which would give the conference a subscriber fee (whatever it is now, probably about 10 cents a month or so) for every cable subscriber in the Metroplex.

[WSGJ]

Im not arguing total numbers - im arguing demographics. If you are selling land rovers - are you better off getting in front of 20k K Staters or 10k SMUers? You would pick SMU every time. There are many advertisers (aka TV time buyers) that would make that choice due to demographics - not just raw numbers. Corporate media time buyers are much more thinly sliced and focused then they used to be - they know exactly who they want to be in front of and how to get to them.

Also we have ACCESS to a great deal corporate money if we can get er rolling again - we have not seen it in awhile since our product has been dificient - but it is starting to show up again. Many others do not have that option. So My original point is there is more to the possiblility that SMU makes a cut of some sort then most think - we have more to offer then our size and 5 yr win/loss history would lead you to believe.

It goes both ways. If you are selling Budweiser, work boots, or Hyundais are you better off getting in front of 20k KStaters or 10k SMUers. You would pick KStaters every time.

[mathman]

Hey, I drink Bud, have a couple pair of work boots, but you can keep the car. Ford truck for me.

[East Coast Mustang]

Hey, I drink Bud, have a couple pair of work boots, but you can keep the car. Ford truck for me.

Point is, the majority of commercials for college football games aren't for Rolexes, Range Rovers, and NetJets.

[CalallenStang]

Hey, I drink Bud, have a couple pair of work boots, but you can keep the car. Ford truck for me.

Point is, the majority of commercials for college football games aren't for Rolexes, Range Rovers, and NetJets.

I had to look NetJets up. Pretty cool idea.

[mathman]

Hey, I drink Bud, have a couple pair of work boots, but you can keep the car. Ford truck for me.

Point is, the majority of commercials for college football games aren't for Rolexes, Range Rovers, and NetJets.

So TCU has a problem as well. Works both ways.