"Gary Patterson berated doctor over hurt player @ SMU Game"

[froglicious]

There is a reason the doc recanted. Hang on to your lie if you want. GP never pressured the doc to let EW play. No confirmation on blacking out. Not relevant because that wasn't the reason for GP going super nova.

right, GP went super nova because, in his own words, his neurological assessment of the SA's condition was that he was "fine 10 minutes after" the incident.

Point is, doc should have told the staff EW was out of the rotation and for the whole game due to concussion. There would have been no argument. Instead, doc didn't communicate with staff and the player is saying he is good. The right decision was made to not play himam that was not GP's beef.

Doc has stated he failed to inform the staff of why EW was held out. Once concussion was mentioned there was no question. For all the staff knew, EW could have just had a strained neck, pinched nerve or any number of things. Maybe sit out a series or two. When GP asked after several series, well...

[Hoop Fan]

sorry, but its hard to believe, very hard to believe, a coach gets that upset at the Doc about a procedural issue during a game. Easy for GP to say thats what it was now, but cmon, get real. this was about Wesley and Patterson's perception of the situation that the doc was being too cautious with Wesley and you know it. what, one of the offensive staff or GA's couldn't just ask the Doctor how Wesley was doing and his condition? Real hard. The guy was lying on the field for like 10 minutes, it was no small obscure thing.

[LakeHighlandsPony]

I was 10 yards away from the whole thing. If I was the Doc I would have pimp slapped Patterson and moved on.

Also-The Tulsa QB and a Tulsa DB got into a fist fight on the sideline and no one reported on that either.

[RednBlue11]

I was 10 yards away from the whole thing. If I was the Doc I would have pimp slapped Patterson and moved on.

Also-The Tulsa QB and a Tulsa DB got into a fist fight on the sideline and no one reported on that either.

it's tulsa

[RGV Pony]

sorry, but its hard to believe, very hard to believe, a coach gets that upset at the Doc about a procedural issue during a game. Easy for GP to say thats what it was now, but cmon, get real. this was about Wesley and Patterson's perception of the situation that the doc was being too cautious with Wesley and you know it. what, one of the offensive staff or GA's couldn't just ask the Doctor how Wesley was doing and his condition? Real hard. The guy was lying on the field for like 10 minutes, it was no small obscure thing.

and look at GP's track record. If you share a sideline (or are on the other end of a headset) with GP, prepare to be thrown under the bus. That's the way GP rolls.

[larskjenstad]

I am sure this is not the first time that Fatterson and medical staff went at it, probly a series of previous events between Fatterson and Doc that probly came to a boil in second quarter of a tight SMOO game, because at the time, SMOO was whippin Froggie

[RGV Pony]

When GP asked after several series, well...

When GP was told on the spot or several series later, assuming your assumption (that the doc 'forgot' to do the same thing he does every. single time.) is correct, GP throwing a fit/not throwing a fit really didnt make a difference did it? Kid didnt play, and wasnt gonna.

[stc9]

This whole communication issue is a thin cover explanation. If this cover explanation is true, then all the Doc had to say was "concussion" and the discussion would be over. The fact that GP went ballistic and kept going after the doctor... the story coming out of FW is weak. The AD sat them both down and gave them marching orders for what to say going forward. My guess is the doctor agreed to it because it became a "communication" issue rather than a medical one.

This story has been mentioned 5 or 6 times across the different shows on ESPN and ESPNU.

[San Antonio Mustang]

For those who believe that the cussing and threaten to fire the Doctor was because the Doctor had not told the proper coach (whoever that may be) that the player was concussed your living in a dream world. Your story is that the player told the coaches that the Doctor took his helmet. Now I wonder why a Doctor would do that? Do you think the coach thought the Doctor was taking it for a souvenir? Maybe it was because the player missed curfew the night before - you think? Look there is only one conclusion a coach could make and that is there was a medical problem. So when you then threaten to fire the Doctor you are trying to get the Doctor to change his medical opinion. There is no place for this. Certainly not on the field. If a coach questions the competency of the team doctor than he should take that up with the AD. I don't think anyone with any common sense believes for a second that Coach Paterson was doing anything other than trying to intimidate the Doctor and the only reason the kid did not play was the Doctor stood his ground. I hope for all the TCU player's sake the schools administration has made it clear to Coach Patterson that he overstepped his authority and has been warned if he does not want to end up like Leach then get in line.

[soccermom]

Maybe GP didn't see what happened------maybe it happened when he was trying to tie his shoes-----seriously, if that had been my child and I saw the coach acting like that I would have kicked the coach's rearend myself!

[froglicious]

Maybe GP didn't see what happened------maybe it happened when he was trying to tie his shoes-----seriously, if that had been my child and I saw the coach acting like that I would have kicked the coach's rearend myself!

Clueless post. Then again, you are a soccer mom. Try to stay off your cell phone please while driving or shopping at Kroger!

[froglicious]

For those who believe that the cussing and threaten to fire the Doctor was because the Doctor had not told the proper coach (whoever that may be) that the player was concussed your living in a dream world. Your story is that the player told the coaches that the Doctor took his helmet. Now I wonder why a Doctor would do that? Do you think the coach thought the Doctor was taking it for a souvenir? Maybe it was because the player missed curfew the night before - you think? Look there is only one conclusion a coach could make and that is there was a medical problem. So when you then threaten to fire the Doctor you are trying to get the Doctor to change his medical opinion. There is no place for this. Certainly not on the field. If a coach questions the competency of the team doctor than he should take that up with the AD. I don't think anyone with any common sense believes for a second that Coach Paterson was doing anything other than trying to intimidate the Doctor and the only reason the kid did not play was the Doctor stood his ground. I hope for all the TCU player's sake the schools administration has made it clear to Coach Patterson that he overstepped his authority and has been warned if he does not want to end up like Leach then get in line.

You must be an ARTS major. Prolly the dancing type. R & C not your cup of tea?

we are 4 deep at RB. The only info GP had was from the player. When he approached the doc he got pissed because he and his staff wasnt informed. The doc has been a dewsh for a couple years and it shows in his comments. GP never tried to get EW into the game after the "C" word was issued. Make of it what you want. The doc has recanted. Being a team doc is a part time gig. He is very successful so he doesnt need the job. Why woul he recant? He was lazy and got ripped and he knows it.

[RGV Pony]

So frog dude is saying the team doc was effectively being negligent in his duties as team physician. Thats a powerful accusation. You really think a team physician who also has a teaching background in sports medicine would be lazy on the sideline? We have the market cornered on d-baggery on the hilltop and it still wouldn't excuse such behavior. I can't even imagine doh, in all his foot stomping carnation wearing glory calling out the team doc like that on the sideline.

[CalallenStang]

Frog dude also said CU was looking to hire JJ.

[CalallenStang]

This is sort of relevant for this thread, too, I guess...

Report: CU targeting Patterson for head coach position

BOULDER - Sources within the University of Colorado athletic department have indicated that the school is interested in hiring TCU head coach Gary Patterson to lead its football program as the Buffaloes move to the PAC-12.

"Patterson would be an ideal choice for us," one athletic department official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said. "He's a proven winner who has taken TCU to national prominence."

Patterson's TCU Horned Frogs began the season ranked #4 in the Associated Press Top 25 poll. They are currently ranked #5 in the BCS Standings.

"The success that he has had at TCU is tremendous," the athletic department official said. "He's taken that program to a level that we would like to reach here at CU."

While Dan Hawkins' Buffaloes currently sit at 3-3, the athletic department has already decided to make a move to fire him at the end of the year.

"There's no way he will beat Nebraska or Oklahoma," the official said, adding "We might as well forfeit the rest of the games on our schedule."

The decision to hire a new coach coincides with CU's decision to move to the Pac-12. As another source in the athletic department said, "It's time to start a new era, and that means cleansing ourselves of any remnants of this program when we played in that league based in the Great Plains."

Patterson's name may not be a surprise to some, due to his winning, but hiring Patterson would certainly not be without controversy. The TCU head man reportedly has berated team doctors for holding injured players out of games, which is eerily similar to the events that led to Mike Leach's firing at Texas Tech.

CU, though, has no concerns about that.

"We don't think that Gary will even need doctors at CU," the first official said. "When a player gets injured, he can have the player grab some snow and hold it over the injury."

In fact, CU officials believe that Patterson is a can't-miss hire.

"He's been so successful building TCU into one of the nation's top programs," a source said. "That sort of success at a non-BCS school will certainly translate into championships at a BCS school like CU."