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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby redpony » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:14 pm

Have you looked at his times this season? Last night I counted a few times and he was just not getting rid of the ball (holding it as long as 5-7 seconds). The R&S is one-two-three- throw. Someone else mentioned on another post about him locking on a particular receiver. He needs to read his progressions and look off DBs with his eyes. He just isn't doing it. The defenses now seem to have picked up on the fact that he locks in on one or two receivers and keying off that read.

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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby sbsmith » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:16 pm

redpony wrote:In Colt Brennan's first season at Hawaii he passed for 4,301 yds, 35 TDs and had just 13 INTs. KP won't come close to those numbers. Some people pick up the R&S quickly and easily while others struggle to do so. Let's hope the light finally comes on (very quickly) for KP as we need to win out the rest of this season.

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Brennan was a 22 year old JUCO transfer when he started learning the R&S, developmentally he was much further along than Padron is now.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby redpony » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:28 pm

SBS- don't necessarily agree. Brennan had some JUCO experience but you also need to consider that KP had last years D1 experience. Which is better? I'm not sure but I would believe that a half season or more of D1 experience would be better than a year of JUCO. IMO JUCO's still need to adjust to the speed,size, and strength of D1 players.

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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby sbsmith » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:53 pm

redpony wrote:SBS- don't necessarily agree. Brennan had some JUCO experience but you also need to consider that KP had last years D1 experience. Which is better? I'm not sure but I would believe that a half season or more of D1 experience would be better than a year of JUCO. IMO JUCO's still need to adjust to the speed,size, and strength of D1 players.

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Brennan also spent a year running the scout team as a redshirt at Colorado before the unpleasantness and having to go JUCO, it's not like he wasn't used to seeing DI talent before going to Hawaii. Padron had last year's experience but he wasn't running the full R&S then, we've seen him struggle to digest it and be productive despite being introduced to many of the concepts last season. That speaks to his lack of experience as a QB (11 HS and college starts at the beginning of the season). Brennan admitted during his 1st season at Hawaii that the offense was overwhelming and he was trying hard not to screw up but he was still very productive nonetheless despite not being familiar with the R&S beforehand. That likely would not have been had he tried to pick it up at the same age and with the same experience level as Padron.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby GoodGirl » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:35 pm

Perhaps you guys are not watching the same games that I've been watching. Kyle is not getting better at all. He almost NEVER goes through his reads. It appears that he already has a receiver in mind when he comes out of the pocket. If you go back and look at the games, Kyle more often than not, looks in ONLY one direction and consequently misses the open receiver. I maintain that if you give the receiver the ball quickly and accurately (on the #s), not over his head or behind him, then he will make plays. IMO Darius does usually get on the money passes. He usually has to jump up, bend down or reach back to catch the ball. During the game at Navy, Kyle hit DJ in stride and he had a 30 yard gain. If Kyle would do that all the time, or even most of the time, then the receivers would have YAC (yards after the catch).
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby kull » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:57 pm

JJ is running a different version of offense than he did at hawaii
these QB comparisons are ok for conversation, but logic is missing.
KP is more similar to Dan Robinson both physically and in regards to decision making.
KPs head is swimming, he is muffing the reads with the WCO timing JJ has built into the offense, and trying to be to careful; watch when June calls Houston, its obvious...timing is off. Padron can hit the guy in stride, but he is trying to hard. This may sound stupid, but when KP tests the waters, slinging it to throw an interception, then and only then will he will be fine. This is nothing new in this system regarding the built in reads for year two. Wilkersons absence set the offense back this season. Trying to break in Haynes, K. Holman and J. Johnson busts KPs progression cause those guys have been off. Holman has blown a few of his routes when he was the primary read...Everyone saw Houstons defense was a patsy, there 3-4 ZBS is most effective against the shoot. Further, they implemented a bunch of the Mark Banker (Oregon State) delayed blitz scheme that OSU used wiht great success against Hawaii. I wasn't surprised by this result.

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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Pony_Fan » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:59 pm

how is this a different version and why?
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby kull » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:41 pm

Pony_Fan wrote:how is this a different version and why?

we are a hybrid RnS team with Walsh WCO, Marchibroda K-gun built in. June is emphasizing more ball control and therefore protecting the defense (thank god). A bunch of this is subtle to the eye, but is absolutely visible in the way our plays are developing. I'll admit that I have been a little pissed off watching us play Offense this year because Padron is 1) leaving way to much on the field, 2) inaccurate in terms of ball placement due to footwork, 3) being too damned cautious and therefore over extending the OL protection schemes. If JJ called more screens the way KP is playing we would have a nightmare regarding turnovers. He has continued to miss some real bread and butter plays because of being to cautious, it is effecting his accuracy (placement on reciever) and his hips are out of sync. On the 1 and 3 step drops he is failing to adequately adjust to the pocket depth and shape. Can't wait for KP to get the killer instinct. This is normal for his level of starting experience, but I hoped he would have broke through the second year shoot slump by week 4. Just taking a little while longer. Also, I don't know if you guys noticed but KP fixed his trajectory on the 30 and 40 yard outs.

The zones in Mason's scheme is starting to break down. We are a 3-4 hybrid ZBS (similar to the Steelers) but with some old school blitz (George Allen schemes). Houston has adjusted to our defense better than any team in CUSA. Our front seven is dinged up and we are missing Moore and a quality tweener safety/linebacker. We don't have enough quality depth...wa wa wa. i digress.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby RGV Pony » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:45 pm

kull wrote:
Pony_Fan wrote:Padron is 1) leaving way to much on the field, 2) inaccurate in terms of ball placement due to footwork, 3) being too damned cautious and therefore over extending the OL protection schemes.


well if you noticed that, surely Morrison has...what gives?
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby SMU 86 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:46 pm

Our receiving corp really misses Sanders and we don't have that home run threat like we did with Shawnbrey bottom line. It may be a struggle from this point on to get bowl eligible.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby kull » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:52 pm

RGV Pony wrote:
kull wrote:
Pony_Fan wrote:Padron is 1) leaving way to much on the field, 2) inaccurate in terms of ball placement due to footwork, 3) being too damned cautious and therefore over extending the OL protection schemes.


well if you noticed that, surely Morrison has...what gives?


Oh they have for sure, JJ must be frustrated. This is one of those fixes that can't really be pushed, he just needs everything to click. Dan Morrison is one of the best psychologist educators out there. Surely they are working on the issue. Sounds stupid but Padron needs to start taking greater risks and stop trying to not screw up.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Mestengo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:23 pm

I hope he has a break out game this week. If not it's going to be a long stretch .
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Longtime » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:42 am

Just my uneducated two cents, but I think Padron would be helped if we had more dump-off passes, safety-valve type stuff.

Seems like whenever KP holds onto the ball too long, all the receivers are 20 yards downfield. That helps him get big yards when he scrambles, but where's the guy in the flat, or a slot guy running a short crossing pattern?

Give the kid a little help with some short, easy throws to boost his confidence and keep the chains moving. Make those safeties sitting back there have to creep up to defend the underneath stuff.

Other than that, how badass would Zach Line be as a wishbone fullback?
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Mestengo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:51 am

I will be all ears. June sitting across from me at lunch.
I have a lot of faith in coach Jones.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Mestengo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:51 pm

Hope is free! Well almost.

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