Seeking people's honest answer on this question

[George S. Patton]

we could try the minnesota way?
how's that working out for you general?

Nacho, read my posts. The entire post and stop being knee-jerk about this.

I've explained my position pretty clearly. And if you can't or won't understand it, then I can't help you.

[George S. Patton]

I am not and never have been a fan of the R and S. I believe that good football teams play physical hard nosed defense, run the ball, execute in the kicking game and play field position football. To me, fundamentals, blocking and tackling win football games, not fool em stuff. I believe that it is easier to run the football when the QB is a threat to run in designed plays.

Can I get an AMEN from the congregation?

[Nacho]

i do believe he is descrbing minnesota.

[George S. Patton]

I'd rather do that instead of watching some cornball offensive scheme.

[ponyboy]

I am not and never have been a fan of the R and S. I believe that good football teams play physical hard nosed defense, run the ball, execute in the kicking game and play field position football. To me, fundamentals, blocking and tackling win football games, not fool em stuff. I believe that it is easier to run the football when the QB is a threat to run in designed plays.

Can I get an AMEN from the congregation?

Honest answer to this question. How did June Jones get a ragtag bunch of football players at Hawaii into a BCS bowl game? Hint: R&S.

[SMUChoir]

As long as y'all show up for Marshall and yell for the ponies, you can think anything you want about the coaching, the offense, the defense, what we need, what we don't need, who is nice, who is dumb, who is smart, who should stay, who should go, who you like, who you don't like. That is being a fan. And we need every one of you! Go Mustangs!

[PonyPower]

I'd rather do that instead of watching some cornball offensive scheme.

You prefer Minnesota? The team that is 1-9 (with only two losses by single digits) and got its coach fired because it gets the crap kicked out of it all the time while running a style that is excruciating to watch? THAT's what you prefer? Didn't you get enough of the last two decades?

To me, it just doesn't seem like he takes ownership when something goes poorly. "Well, I'm sure that if Kyle saw the film..." OK, June. That's fine. So since you're going to go on the record and say that, what exactly are you going to do to help him understand the film? What are you and Danny Morrison going to do to help him be a better quarterback?''

Please. You're not really suggesting that Coach Jones and Coach Morrison aren't working with Padron and the other quarterbacks, are you? When is the last time you were at a practice? How about the last time you sat in on a position meeting? Maybe watched film with them? Sure, you sound defiant and contrarian to sit back and suggest that the coaches passively accept when a player misses a pass or a block or a tackle, but even you must be able to see that SMU has an exceptional coaching staff. Ask your man Hampton (based on the way you hailed his hiring by the SMU radio network, I'm guessing you're either a personal friend or maybe a family member) about the coaching staff. Hampton knows of what he speaks, and I'm sure he can explain what good teachers we are lucky enough to have. You can complain all you want about Coach Jones and his offense and Kyle Padron, but the fact is that Padron is still in his second season (including high school) as a starting quarterback. You might be tired of hearing that, but your mental fatigue doesn't change the facts.

You do realize, don't you, that this coach who you fear isn't being "held accountable" is the first one in 25 years to get our alma mater to a bowl game, right? It's really going to [deleted] you off when we go back to back.

Again, my personal feelings toward June are inconsequential in this whole deal about his tenure him.

Then why do you insist on repeating your dislike for the man?

As long as y'all show up for Marshall and yell for the ponies, you can think anything you want about the coaching, the offense, the defense, what we need, what we don't need, who is nice, who is dumb, who is smart, who should stay, who should go, who you like, who you don't like. That is being a fan. And we need every one of you! Go Mustangs!

Amen!

[rich59]

Firstly, if one reviews my earlier post, I, like Patton, am not calling JJ a bad coach. I said that I believe he can get SMU to a higher level than ever before since the DP. I just don't like the R&S. Probably because I played in the Split T in high school and the Split T and Belly Series in college. However in high school I played for one of the most innovative coaches in Texas High School Football, who had played at TCU and sometimes we switched to the spread and threw the ball all over the field.

As far as the JJ offense in Hawaii, it was productive for me to go back and review his record there. I brought this up when he was hired at SMU. There are two factors that play a role, IMO, in his success at Hawaii besides his coaching ability. Reviewing his record there shows that his signature wins were almost always at home in Hawaii. His teams did not do nearly as well when playing on the mainland. It is obvious that teams who made the trip to Hawaii must have been somewhat distracted by the time change and the environment. On the other hand, the Hawaii teams must have had some difficulty adjusting to the opposite conditions. I think that JJ is conditioned by his experience at Hawaii to regard away games as very difficult to win which results in his comment, "we have to steal one on the road," which I am tired of hearing.

The other factor which played a role in his record at Hawaii, IMO, is that when he went there, thirteen or fourteen years ago, most teams in the US were running some sort of power running attack so that the defenses were set up to stop that. They were unused to playing against spread passing mostly offenses and did not see that type of offense often. That is similar to what teams face today when playing the service academies. They don't see the pure option offense but maybe once a year and it is difficult to get ready for. Gradually there have been more teams switching to more passing and less running so that defenses are tailored to stopping that and the R&S does not have the advantages it may have had in the past.

Another reason I don't like the R&S is that Rosseley ran that offense at SMU and, in the games I saw, they looked pitiful. When Cavan took over, in his first year he took a team which had struggled in the R&S, with Flanagan at QB, and had a respectable record and team, running some option and only lacked a win against TCU from going bowling.

Once again I think JJ and his staff are doing a good job and will get us much more competitive in the next few years. College football and offenses and defenses evolve and maybe he has the answers to raise us to the level TCU is at today.

[Stallion]

Anytime you win an away game by 1 point or more whether in Hawaii, Dallas or Timbuktu-its an achievement. This confounds so many college football fans although the evidence is clear.

[rich59]

If you don't see the difference in traveling from Dallas to Hawaii to play a game or vice versa as compared to traveling from Dallas to El Paso then I can't help you.

[Stallion]

I think I was the first to point out this board several years that June Jones record at Hawaii was somewhat inflated due to the fact that because of the 13 game rule and the fact that Hawaii generally played bowl games exclusively (until Sugar Bowl) in Hawaii that Hawaii played an unusually high number of home game. I've forgotten the exact percentage but it was close to 60/40% Home/Away. So I understand that point. But generally winning any road game especially in conference is an achievement that is not fairly recognized by most fans.

[rich59]

I agree that winning a game on the road should be more difficult than at home. I am not sure that the home advantage is that great at SMU though because of the small home attendance. Often times during the early eighties and when Fry and Dave Smith were coaching, we would have almost capacity crowds in Texas Stadium and the Cotton Bowl for Ark,. TU or A&M and it would seem there were more of their fans than ours. That is a different issue of course.

The issue I have with JJ and his statements about "stealing one on the road" is that it seems to me that he is telling the team we really don't have a chance to win legitimately on the road but have to sneak in and somehow get out with a win. Sounds negative to me.

[lwjr]

I may not be a fan of the R & S but it works for June Jones so it is what will work for SMU. In under three years we have gone from doormat to a program that is on the rise and starting to show up on everyone's radar. JJ was not going to turn this thing around in one year, we all know that. I have always heard that it takes five years to build a program, we are barely thru year three. Look at the kids this coaching staff has lined up to sign in February, who would have thought SMU would be recruiting and getting these type of players to sign four years ago? I'm willing to give JJ a pass until the five year period is over. There was a lot of damage to rebuild when he arrived in January 2008.

JJ has said the football program is a year ahead of his rebuilding schedule. I figured we are having the kind of year this year, we should have had last year. NO, I am not drinking the kool aid. I hope I am being realistic.
The football squad lost thier number 1 and 2 reciever from last year and the number one running back and how many seniors do we start? One on offense, two or three on the defensive side.
It has taken TCU and Gary Patterson 10 years to arrive at tthe point they are now. Many people on this board may not like the comparison to TCU but I think it is a good model to use.
It is nice to be in the position we are in right now, complaining because of the season the football team is having, our expectations are rising as is the coaching staff and everyone else that is associated with the program.
Now, I have said more than I have in the three or four years since I have been on this board.


PONY UP!!!!!!!

[rich59]

lwjr, very good points and although my posts may not sound like it, I agree with you and hope you are right.

[lwjr]

lwjr, very good points and although my posts may not sound like it, I agree with you and hope you are right.

Thank you, rich59.