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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby shadowman » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:03 pm

goldenstang wrote:You say it is unimaginative and predictable which is funny because the receivers don't even know what routes they are running until they see the coverage.


Perhaps that is the problem? No? Yes? I need feedback. At least you dont need to waste 20 seconds each play when you are down two scores.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby Pony_Law » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:04 pm

Having a bad game does not mean the offense is a bad system. If you chuck every thing after a bad game you cannot succeed in the game of football. YOur analysis is so short sighted how about the week before when we scored 45 point? how about the fact we averaged over 400 YPG?

Or problem is not the system it is younge players who on the course of a 10-15 play drive when having a bad game will make a mistake
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby Pony_Law » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:07 pm

also do you know we outgained UCF? we missed a field goal and turned the ball over that is why we lost not the system
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby goldenstang » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:12 pm

shadowman wrote:
goldenstang wrote:You say it is unimaginative and predictable which is funny because the receivers don't even know what routes they are running until they see the coverage.


Perhaps that is the problem? No? Yes? I need feedback. At least you dont need to waste 20 seconds each play when you are down two scores.


I think we lost because of poor QB play today not because of the system. You are right we don't need to be wasting 20 seconds every play when you are down two scores. I'll also agree that having the QB run to the sideline every play is outdated and could stand to be changed.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby shadowman » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:16 pm

Pony_Law wrote:Having a bad game does not mean the offense is a bad system. If you chuck every thing after a bad game you cannot succeed in the game of football. YOur analysis is so short sighted how about the week before when we scored 45 point? how about the fact we averaged over 400 YPG?

Or problem is not the system it is younge players who on the course of a 10-15 play drive when having a bad game will make a mistake


But we only got 7 points??? Maybe chalk it up to a bad day against a good defense. BUT maybe this offense has just become too predictable? What has June done? Went undefeated against a pitiful WAC conference? Beat a bad Washington team in the last game? Got spanked by Georgia?

My opinion, we WAY overpaid for June to get two more wins and marginally better recruiting...it feels like a bonanza because he gets us one more win, but it aint worth two million dollars. I keep pointing to Todd Graham who took RICE, of all teams to a bowl, and has done a good job at Tulsa, that is coach that we should overpay for...an up and comer...not a has been.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby shadowman » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:18 pm

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shadowman wrote:
goldenstang wrote:You say it is unimaginative and predictable which is funny because the receivers don't even know what routes they are running until they see the coverage.


Perhaps that is the problem? No? Yes? I need feedback. At least you dont need to waste 20 seconds each play when you are down two scores.


I think we lost because of poor QB play today not because of the system. You are right we don't need to be wasting 20 seconds every play when you are down two scores. I'll also agree that having the QB run to the sideline every play is outdated and could stand to be changed.


And that is a problem with the system....JUne needs to update. He has brought good buzz, but he needs to update.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby RednBlue11 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:19 pm

man im having a blast reading this, been too long since we had a good argument.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby Pony_Law » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:19 pm

With The bowl and extra tv money june has brought plus increase ticket sales I bet the school has profited from the hire, not to mention the fact his salary was privatly financed (not that you paid for it)
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby goldenstang » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:22 pm

Todd Graham would be here for 1-3 then moving on. He left Rice after one year and is already trying to get the Indiana job after only two years at Tulsa.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby Samurai Stang » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:26 pm

shadowman wrote:
But we only got 7 points??? Maybe chalk it up to a bad day against a good defense. BUT maybe this offense has just become too predictable? What has June done? Went undefeated against a pitiful WAC conference? Beat a bad Washington team in the last game? Got spanked by Georgia?


I agree. The offense is predictable. I am almost always able to call the play SMU will run. If I can, I am certain the paid defensive coordinators of our opponents can do the same.

However, I understand that this offense is meant to be part of a transition into the true run and shoot. If this is the case, it means that the problem either lies in the talent or experience of the players. How many years will it take until SMU can finally run the actual run and shoot?

That said, you greatly undersell his recruiting ability and the drastic changes he has brought to SMU. He has worked miracles and has a proven track-record. I have no doubt that SMU will continue to improve under June Jones.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby Pony_Law » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:27 pm

Why would you want Todd Graham? we beat Tulsa, the only available coach I would think could do a better job then Jones has done so far is Leach and I don't know if he'd accept a Non AQ job
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby mustang1108 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:27 pm

To me it was not so much the offensive system It has been a great system and we have put up great numberof yards, but we have not been able to get the ball into the red zone. when we start at you 20 everytime and drive to the opponents 30 yard line essentially every drive your your gonna rack up a lot. I put the main problems on June's playcalling, to me its either too predictable or it just doesn't make any sense. Poor clock management and we have to implement more of a hurry up offense. Look at the best offenses in the game today in teams like oregon, auburn, and oklahoma the past couple years. It keeps defenses off guard and is just harder to defend.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby sbsmith » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:29 pm

goldenstang wrote:Todd Graham would be here for 1-3 then moving on. He left Rice after one year and is already trying to get the Indiana job after only two years at Tulsa.




He has been at Tulsa 4 years.
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Re: Cool Offense June!!!

Postby goldenstang » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:30 pm

sbsmith wrote:
goldenstang wrote:Todd Graham would be here for 1-3 then moving on. He left Rice after one year and is already trying to get the Indiana job after only two years at Tulsa.




He has been at Tulsa 4 years.


Geez seems like he just got there.

Edit: It doesn't really matter how long he has been there, does't change my point that he has one foot out the door. He is expressing interest in almost AQ job that is open. Point is he wouldn't stay around here long. I do think he is a great coach though.
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