Why is the UT head coaching position so hallowed??

[redpony]

this stuff about tamu is revisionist hx to deflect the damage that ut did to us. please show me any credible material that details exactly what tamu did to us. i'll be waiting.
please read the pony trap.

I've read that book as well as a couple of others. I will see what I can 'dig'up. In the meantime you might want to view the CD version of Pony Excess. IIRC there are some references to a&m. After all, you buy a recruit a car and then get undercut- at least not without some effort of retaliation.

[Rayburn]

Embarrassing how SMU cannot manage to put 32,000 people in the house...considering it's smack dab in the middle of DALLAS FORT WORTH (7 Million)

Embarrassing how your Cougar High can't draw flies in the Bayou City.

[orguy]

when the whorens and the f-aggies learned that we could cheat as good as they could they went whining to daddy ncaa to put a stop to this little school that was kicking their butts. May freddie akers and jackie sherrill burn in hell.

Beating Texas 3 times from '77-'86 is kicking their butts?

Well put. We never dominated them except for the 85 game where things just got out of hand for the horns. We lost some very close gut wrenching memorable games to UT. I remember the 83 game in particular.Their D was suffocating everyone that year. The Southwest conference was very very strong nationally from around 80 to 85. Sherrill's mid to late eighties teams were weaker in my view. Far weaker than SMU, Houston, UT and the Pigs were from 80-85.

UT was not responsible for the downfall. Guys like William P Redneck were the real culprits. The SMU board of trustees were the responsible party. Led by an arrogant SMU dropout that never graduated from any college. What a nightmare all that was.

UT was overrepresented on the infractions committee. This has been belabored to death on this board. What if those guys had been TAMU guys? or Arkansas or Baylor etc? In the end the ship was sunk long before it ever reached that stage.

[feelthehorsepower]

when the whorens and the f-aggies learned that we could cheat as good as they could they went whining to daddy ncaa to put a stop to this little school that was kicking their butts. May freddie akers and jackie sherrill burn in hell.

Beating Texas 3 times from '77-'86 is kicking their butts?

We were beating them in the recruiting trail and embarrassing them at football games. Some of the losses were really close.

[Rayburn]

We were beating them in the recruiting trail and embarrassing them at football games. Some of the losses were really close.

How were we beating them in recruiting?

[feelthehorsepower]

We were beating them in the recruiting trail and embarrassing them at football games. Some of the losses were really close.

How were we beating them in recruiting?

Eric Dickerson and Craig James were just 2 of the high profile kids we out recruited them.

[feelthehorsepower]

Embarrassing how SMU cannot manage to put 32,000 people in the house...considering it's smack dab in the middle of DALLAS FORT WORTH (7 Million)

Embarrassing how your Cougar High can't draw flies in the Bayou City.

You still insist I am Cougar Troll?

[SMUer]

Fthp is not Cougar King.

[RednBlue11]

Looking for responses by regulars. Stallion? u got an opinion?

All this talk of UT nationally. Yes, its an elite football school. Understood. History, tradition, recruiting, facilities. I understand that.

However, is it really the premiere job in college football like some UT alums and some in the national media think? The way I see it there are other schools with everything UT has. Never in a million years would a guy like a Urban Meyer be truly interested in the Texas job.If he talks to UT he is just leveraging. The Big 10 is in a temporary lull but will rise again with all those sleeping giants (Pedophile U, Nebraska, Michigan etc.). Meyer will be able to compete for national championships just as well up there as in the struggling Big 12. Additionally, Meyer is from Ohio. Why the hell would he leave home to take the keys of a different colored Maserati?

The only valid reason Saban leaves Alabama for Austin is want of a new challenge (or maybe his wife is understandably tiring of Tuscaloosa) but not because UT is a more attractive proposition football wise than Alabama. It would be a lateral move if that. Or at least this is what I perceive given the historical perspective of what constitutes a "powerhouse" program.

Why is the UT job superior to say the USC job? or Alabama,Oklahoma,Michigan,tOSU, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia etc. ??? Comments of any stripe welcome while Mustang faithful wait on June.

read a book sometime

[SoCal_Pony]

when the whorens and the f-aggies learned that we could cheat as good as they could they went whining to daddy ncaa to put a stop to this little school that was kicking their butts. May freddie akers and jackie sherrill burn in hell.

Beating Texas 3 times from '77-'86 is kicking their butts?

over a 6 year period from 1980-1985 we won 3 by some 60 points total while losing 3 by 11 points total. That may not be kicking butt, it's still impressive

[Nacho]

anyone who doesn't think ut was heavily behind the dp is in deep denial or just doesn't know what they are talking about. you should know your own history. read the pony trap. learn something about your school and the people behind the demise of smu football.
yes we cheated. half the schools in d1 have done the same or much worse. the dmn and wfaa share their share of blame also.
read the pony trap. it is a great christmas present for the person in your life who doesn't know anything.

[Stallion]

Your right someone is in deep denial-the next time 1 school gets on probation 4 times in 10 years and then lies directly to the NCAA and has a Chairman of the Board of Govenors, President of the University and AD agree to continue to meet its payroll to recruits bought by an organized and ratified slush fund then come talk to me. Otherwise stop making a fool of yourself because you lack the skills of reason and judgment. No school has "done the same or worse" in the context of the legal standard of lack of institutional control. Your argument is facial invalid. The SMU case wa a SLAM-DUNK to anyone that can read, weigh and analyze evidence and legal standards of due process.

[ftworthmustang]

I'm certainly not in the know on everything that went on in the early 80s, but here's an anology of what I understand. Most the SW conference schools are represented by campers, each with a campfire. Except SMU turned their camp fire into a bonfire. Some of the other schools may have pointed to the bonfire, but it wasn't hard for the fire dept to find and put out. We started and feed the bonfire and let it get out of control. Whose fault is it, the people who built the bonfire and let it get out of control or those who pointed at it?

[Nacho]

what other school had ut, 2 local newspapers (the dmn and the dallas times herald) a local news station (wfaa) and the ncaa out to get it.
answer: none in history
the ncaa was actually feeding information to the papers and the station in violation of their own bylaws.
if you think the ncaa is as pure as the driven snow you are sadly mistaken.
btw ut was doing the same things we were doing. read meat on the hoof sometime. they are and have been a sorry excuse for an athletic program for a very long time. no one comes after them and never will. they are immune. we were a scapegoat. ut is all over our dp. wake up.

[SMU2007]

pretty sure we deserved the DP, plain and simple. The egos of the people involved with the university and the football program at that time were unbelievable. Thanks for ruining college football for all alumni under the age of 45.