Does Briles get a free pass?

[Grant Carter]

[quote="smusic 00"]Don't forget that they determined that the woman's story was not true, due to a thoroughly inadequate and biased investigation. That's the real crime. At least at SMU the coverup was based on a finding of fact; the crime at our house was in not turning perps over to the authorities and trying to deal with it all in house.

You talking about Pittman?

Amongst other, non athletes. We were subject to federal inquiries on the subject for trying to handle everything on our own. But in our case we quietly ushered the parties away instead of inconveniencing the victim to the point where they ran.

I believe Pittman and Henderson came back to SMU and played ball.[/quote]
Pittman and Henderson are athletes. He specifically referenced non-athletes.

[Rebel10]

Gotcha.

[ReedFrawg]

Chris Peterson never mentioned violence towards women. He mentioned legalese about Boise's disciplinary record wrt the player but never clarified beyond that or that it included anything of the sort.

The HS coach of the player corroborates what Briles was told as he was told the same thing by Peterson. Peterson either did not know about any domestic violence issues or neglected to inform. Based on what each has said it appears Briles told the truth about what he knew when the guy transferred.

With that said there are still plenty of ways BU as a whole screwed this deal up in judicial affairs and the treatment of the girl which combine for a reprehensible situation.

How do you know what was said between Petersen and Briles??? Petersen said he fully apprised Briles of Sam's history and situation.

[Rebel10]

Chris Peterson never mentioned violence towards women. He mentioned legalese about Boise's disciplinary record wrt the player but never clarified beyond that or that it included anything of the sort.

The HS coach of the player corroborates what Briles was told as he was told the same thing by Peterson. Peterson either did not know about any domestic violence issues or neglected to inform. Based on what each has said it appears Briles told the truth about what he knew when the guy transferred.

With that said there are still plenty of ways BU as a whole screwed this deal up in judicial affairs and the treatment of the girl which combine for a reprehensible situation.

How do you know what was said between Petersen and Briles??? Petersen said he fully apprised Briles of Sam's history and situation.

He said history and situation? Was that the quote from Peterson? I thought Petersen said in a statement. "In that conversation, I thoroughly apprised Coach Briles of the circumstances surrounding Sam's disciplinary record and dismissal."

[smusic 00]

Bush Library

[footballdad]

I post very seldom.
I have 2 daughters.
If one of them had been raped by this guy, he would never had been in court for a trial and I would be behind bars.
Baylor's actions are irresponsible and reprehensible. For any Baylor fan to think otherwise is sickening.

+1

Kevin Bacon.....Death Sentence......sounds about right.

[Pony Boss]

I just can't believe how many Baylor apologists we have here in PF....

[couch 'em]

At this point the whole situation is meaningless outrage porn until an independent investigation is done. We don't know what Baylor knew or when , what info may not have been available to them site their investigation. Given their history it is probably just being being scum again but all we have now is the media reports. That means intentionally misleading writing, misrepresented or intentionally omitted facts, etc to get clicks. Not to be trusted any more than the Waco paper's non-reporting

[WordUpBU]

Chris Peterson never mentioned violence towards women. He mentioned legalese about Boise's disciplinary record wrt the player but never clarified beyond that or that it included anything of the sort.

The HS coach of the player corroborates what Briles was told as he was told the same thing by Peterson. Peterson either did not know about any domestic violence issues or neglected to inform. Based on what each has said it appears Briles told the truth about what he knew when the guy transferred.

With that said there are still plenty of ways BU as a whole screwed this deal up in judicial affairs and the treatment of the girl which combine for a reprehensible situation.

How do you know what was said between Petersen and Briles??? Petersen said he fully apprised Briles of Sam's history and situation.

Peterson' statement is as follows:

"In that conversation, I thoroughly apprised Coach Briles of the circumstances surrounding Sam's disciplinary record and dismissal."

This makes no mention of violence.

Every document we've seen of BU-BSU correspondence mentions nothing of violence or any disciplinary record issues when asked directly.

The HS coach of the player reports Peterson telling him the same information that Briles claims Peterson told him regarding why Sam U transferred which included no violence.

Peterson "fully apprised" them of a record that did not include violence, specifically no mention of violence towards women. I don't think any of the three coaches are lying.

Now even with the likelihood that Briles did not know of any violent history that doesn't excuse a shoddy investigation or poor treatment of the victim after it happened.

[WordUpBU]

Boise released this statement which backs up what I have said:

The incidents and factors that contributed to Sam Ukwuachu's dismissal from the Boise State football team had nothing to do with accusations of any sexual assaults or with accusations that he physically assaulted any women. However, federal laws protecting privacy prohibit Boise State from releasing information about ​what did result in his dismissal from the Boise State University football team.

Boise State University never received any reports nor had any knowledge of Sam Ukwuachu being involved in any accusations of sexual assault before or during his time at Boise State.

In widely reported testimony from the Aug. 20 Texas trial, Ukwuachu's former girlfriend stated Ukwuachu hit and choked her while they were students at Boise State. This information about their relationship was not reported to Boise State when the two were students here. While neither student is currently enrolled at Boise State, the University has requested a transcript of the testimony and will begin a Title IX inquiry immediately based on this testimony about a potential physically abusive relationship between the two former students. That inquiry, like all such inquiries, will not be subject to public records requests for privacy reasons.

The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 (FERPA) is a federal law restricting the ability of an institution of higher education to release student information without their specific written permission. Nevertheless, an exception exists for the release of information where a validly issued subpoena is produced. University officials coordinated with McLennan County prosecuting attorneys, releasing records to them pursuant to a valid subpoena, as required by FERPA. Those records, despite having been released pursuant to subpoena, remain protected, and FERPA prohibits Boise State from releasing even those that have become part of the public record in the trial. In addition to FERPA, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act restricts Boise State from releasing certain information about students as well.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/08/2 ... rylink=cpy

Still issues with investigation and treatment of the victim but this does answer whether Briles likely knew of any record against women.

[PonySnob]

Bush Library

Well groomed

[RyanSMU98]

More than a decade after a basketball scandal that included a murder brought “incalculable disgrace” to Baylor University, the university's football program is enveloped in a controversy of its own that threatens to undermine the credibility of the Baptist institution, its winning coach and its law-and-order president, Kenneth Starr.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/08/26/baylor-u-facing-questions-over-handling-sexual-assault-involving-football-player?utm_source=Inside+Higher+Ed&utm_campaign=e257aae0b9-DNU20150826&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1fcbc04421-e257aae0b9-197573701

[Rebel10]

It looks like he damaged property at Boise but never sexually assaulted his girlfriend. So there was no sexual assault in his background like most people seemed to imply.

"Texas Monthly reported that the highly touted transfer from Boise State had been kicked off his old team soon after he drunkenly punched through a window at a house he shared with his girlfriend."

[ebrooks11]

I cant wait until this is all hashed out.

[untitled]

It looks like he damaged property at Boise but never sexually assaulted his girlfriend. So there was no sexual assault in his background like most people seemed to imply.

"Texas Monthly reported that the highly touted transfer from Boise State had been kicked off his old team soon after he drunkenly punched through a window at a house he shared with his girlfriend."

I haven't seen anyone, on any site, suggest or imply that he had a history of sexual assaulting women. The history everyone now knows about, and that Peterson apparently knew about at the time of his dismissal (if the emails obtained by Texas Monthly are accurate), is with respect to domestic violence. His ex-girlfriend testified to his propensity for violence at his trial in Waco.

Granted, domestic violence and sexual assault are different things, but Briles stated that he only knew about homesickness and depression, which again begs the question: if you knew the kid was a BAMF All-American football player, do you really think he got kicked off the Boise football team for being homesick?