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by jtstang » Wed May 30, 2007 11:46 am
I say schedule teams that you can beat consistently. Problem is, in the last twenty years, we have not identified any of those.
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by George S. Patton » Wed May 30, 2007 11:50 am
Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:There is no reason that TCU cannot carry the same weight as Penn State, USC, or Notre Dame if they continue their growth and success over the next 5-10 years. They are a very good private school, in the Dallas-Forth Worth Metroplex, in the most fertile football state in the union, with a lot to offer potential players. They have reached double digit wins 4 out of the lasdt 5 years, just opened a new practice facility, and have instilled a map to success.
If TCU goes 11-1, 10-2, 12-0 this year and makes it to a BCS bowl, what stops them from doing it next year? Nothing. They are not a flash in the pan, and have built a model for winning. They improve upon their last 4 seasons, make it to 1, 2, 3 BCS bowls in the next 5 or 6 years and can make a run at the national title. Next time conferences re-align? A BCS invitation. Now you have a small, private school that has made it from the WAC (cough) all the way back to national prominence and a BCS conference. There is NO reason that cannot happen if they build on their success.
That's a great point, but they're going to have to get into the national title business by being invited to play in major conference. They won't do it in their current situation.
And I would think they are learning about the repulsive politics and being a member in the Mountain West, especially when the the Mormon Maffia -- BYU, Utah and Wyoming -- pretty much dominate how the conference is going to go.
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by RGV Pony » Wed May 30, 2007 11:52 am
Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:There is no reason that TCU cannot carry the same weight as Penn State, USC, or Notre Dame if they continue their growth and success over the next 5-10 years. They are a very good private school, in the Dallas-Forth Worth Metroplex, in the most fertile football state in the union, with a lot to offer potential players. They have reached double digit wins 4 out of the lasdt 5 years, just opened a new practice facility, and have instilled a map to success.
If TCU goes 11-1, 10-2, 12-0 this year and makes it to a BCS bowl, what stops them from doing it next year? Nothing. They are not a flash in the pan, and have built a model for winning. They improve upon their last 4 seasons, make it to 1, 2, 3 BCS bowls in the next 5 or 6 years and can make a run at the national title. Next time conferences re-align? A BCS invitation. Now you have a small, private school that has made it from the WAC (cough) all the way back to national prominence and a BCS conference. There is NO reason that cannot happen if they build on their success.
Just as likely: they lose a closely competitive game to Baylor. Then they get thumped by Texas, and lose a couple of key guys to injury. They lose to us. Stanford beats them, with the momentum of a new coach and better program, and BYU pounds them again. They go on to lose one other game they have no business losing. One other game they claim to get hosed by the officials/hometown environment etc. Next thing you know, seven losses, SMU somehow has a better record, and the Froggies keep spinning their wheels while Frog nation asks what went wrong? Bring back Fran!
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by MustangStealth » Wed May 30, 2007 2:01 pm
Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:If TCU goes 11-1, 10-2, 12-0 this year and makes it to a BCS bowl, what stops them from doing it next year? Nothing. They are not a flash in the pan, and have built a model for winning. They improve upon their last 4 seasons, make it to 1, 2, 3 BCS bowls in the next 5 or 6 years and can make a run at the national title. Next time conferences re-align? A BCS invitation. There is NO reason that cannot happen if they build on their success.
The BCS and reality are why that cannot happen. The BCS means that an outside team will have to be undefeated to play in a top tier bowl. Reality is that it's hard for anyone, in any conference, to go undefeated. TCU has built a consistent winner and will probably continue to be a winner, but they will not be invited into a BCS conference and they will not be playing in the national championship.
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by PonyKai » Wed May 30, 2007 2:37 pm
Let's say conferences re-align in 2012. Let's say that TCU goes undefeated one or two of these seasons, and does not play for the national championship but plays in two BCS bowls. You don't believe the Big 12 would swap a Baylor for a TCU if they are producing consistent big money bowls (even outside of the BCS) and are a perennial top 25?
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by Stallion » Wed May 30, 2007 2:57 pm
No they won't swap. TCU is stuck for the present time but that doesn't lessen the argument that TCU has competed with the BCS on its own terms while SMU has been totally outclasses and non-competitive with BCS schools.
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by MustangStealth » Wed May 30, 2007 3:01 pm
Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:Let's say conferences re-align in 2012. Let's say that TCU goes undefeated one or two of these seasons, and does not play for the national championship but plays in two BCS bowls. You don't believe the Big 12 would swap a Baylor for a TCU if they are producing consistent big money bowls (even outside of the BCS) and are a perennial top 25?
Never. The big conferences have no reason to realign. The only plausible changes to the BCS structure are growth of the Pac 10, Big 10 and Big East to 12 teams, and even that is a long shot based on the teams they could pick from.
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by PonyKai » Wed May 30, 2007 3:48 pm
It doesn't have to happen right away, but some time down the road, conferences will re-align. It might be for reasons no one can even forsee, but there will be some kind of realignment- college football certainly isn't perfect. And if they did expand, the top contenders for those spots would probably be TCU, Houston, Southern Miss., Notre Dame if they wanted it, Boise State, and BYU.
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by George S. Patton » Wed May 30, 2007 4:17 pm
Stallion wrote:No they won't swap. TCU is stuck for the present time but that doesn't lessen the argument that TCU has competed with the BCS on its own terms while SMU has been totally outclasses and non-competitive with BCS schools.
Really? Are you sure? You mean when Oklahoma State's Rashaun Woods caught 7 TD passes at Ford, and losing up in Stillwater by 44 points and then never having beaten Tech since we returned from the death penalty and then losing to Baylor and then losing to Missouri and then losing to Ole Miss and then losing to whoever else? Is that what you mean by being totally outclassed?
This post may go down as a no-#$%^ comment if I ever read one.
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by PonySnob » Wed May 30, 2007 4:51 pm
Stallion wrote:No they won't swap. TCU is stuck for the present time but that doesn't lessen the argument that TCU has competed with the BCS on its own terms while SMU has been totally outclasses and non-competitive with BCS schools.
Remember, we did beat Kansas in what Mike "Cave-in" Cavan called "the most important victory in the history of the program!" 
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by PonyKai » Wed May 30, 2007 7:10 pm
I'm just gonna go with the old addage that the darkest hour comes right before dawn. Hopefully, that was oh around 2002-2003 and we're coming into daylight.
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by KnuckleStang » Thu May 31, 2007 3:10 pm
Again I ask, did we really give Arkansas State a 2-1 at their place, or is that a mistake. That can't be right
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by SMU Football Blog » Thu May 31, 2007 3:34 pm
KnuckleStang wrote:Again I ask, did we really give Arkansas State a 2-1 at their place, or is that a mistake. That can't be right
The deal is for a home and home. It is not a 2-1. I confirmed it.
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by PonyKai » Thu May 31, 2007 7:13 pm
Thank god. How much of the near future scheduling (OOC 2007, 2008, 2009) was part of the Copeland administration, and when do we really see Orisni's schedule come together?
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by MustangStealth » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:30 pm
Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:Thank god. How much of the near future scheduling (OOC 2007, 2008, 2009) was part of the Copeland administration, and when do we really see Orisni's schedule come together?
The future schedule as it exists is pretty much entirely from the Bennett/Copeland era. When Cavan left we had deals with (IIRC) Wake, BC, and Northwestern. Bennett got out of those in favor of closer schools such as Baylor, Tech, UNT, Arkansas St., etc. I don't know how much of an impact Orsini has had on schedules yet since those are usually set years out.
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