Todd Dodge

[gostangs]

O.K. - Ill agree with that..although I would guess that would not a very big percentage of the total.

[SWC2010]

Regarding Riley Dodge, anyone catch the highlights of Southlake's game last night. His passes have zero zip on them. There is a good reason Dodge is listed as "athlete" in the DMN state ratings.................

Woow, what a [deleted] loser you are fwolf

[bigdaddy08091]

Wrong oh big un (who is apparently not actually a Daddy)

Juco's go juco for three reasons:

1) Grades
2) Grades
3) Hope to get better so they can transfer to best available D-1 school.

Nobody goes there instead of a BCS option - even if it means redshirting......unless they have really bad advice from the mentally challenged.

Gostang, grades are not the issue with every athlete and every school. Step outside the SMU box you live in a look at the rest of the world.

I agree with your third reason. At D1 schools these athletes are called redshirts. Some athletes if they are football smart, go to JUCO's and play instead of sitting for a year. The D1 schools support this. The players do get better, bigger, and stronger. The JUCO players do not have to pass that test they have to take in HS and after 1 or 2 years the JUCO hours just transfer to the D1 school. Everywhere but SMU! Why do you think D1 schools across the nation have JUCO players on their starting rosters. You are confused because of how we do it here.

[gostangs]

Look - this is not exactly a unproven or groundbreaking theory - the vast majority of Juco players would go to a BCS school if they had the grades and the opportunity to do so. They don't go there because they think they might have to redshirt a year at some BCS school - almost all of them would be happy to do so rather then do the juco route. Its not an SMU world I live in - its a NCAA world.

[bigdaddy08091]

Look - this is not exactly a unproven or groundbreaking theory - the vast majority of Juco players would go to a BCS school if they had the grades and the opportunity to do so. They don't go there because they think they might have to redshirt a year at some BCS school - almost all of them would be happy to do so rather then do the juco route. Its not an SMU world I live in - its a NCAA world.

"almost all of them would be happy to do so rather then do the juco route. "

So they can tell their friends, I play at a D1 school. This is the reason most D1 schools suggest the players play at a JUCO with an understanding you are coming here next year or the year after. We are the only school with the grade issue thing. It is the test that gets most HS players. UT, OU, TT and others don't care about the grades. That can be fixed with summer school. The test can't.

Do you think some of the redshirts we have this year would have benefited from playing at a JUCO this season?

[Charleston Pony]

Look - this is not exactly a unproven or groundbreaking theory - the vast majority of Juco players would go to a BCS school if they had the grades and the opportunity to do so. They don't go there because they think they might have to redshirt a year at some BCS school - almost all of them would be happy to do so rather then do the juco route. Its not an SMU world I live in - its a NCAA world.

"almost all of them would be happy to do so rather then do the juco route. "

So they can tell their friends, I play at a D1 school. This is the reason most D1 schools suggest the players play at a JUCO with an understanding you are coming here next year or the year after. We are the only school with the grade issue thing. It is the test that gets most HS players. UT, OU, TT and others don't care about the grades. That can be fixed with summer school. The test can't.

Do you think some of the redshirts we have this year would have benefited from playing at a JUCO this season?

Some may have, but with a lot of guys I'd rather they have the extra year of eligibility and not blow a year playing JUCO ball...or do you feel they should take that RS year after they arrive from the JUCO? I'd rather have them practicing in my coaches' system

[bigdaddy08091]

Look - this is not exactly a unproven or groundbreaking theory - the vast majority of Juco players would go to a BCS school if they had the grades and the opportunity to do so. They don't go there because they think they might have to redshirt a year at some BCS school - almost all of them would be happy to do so rather then do the juco route. Its not an SMU world I live in - its a NCAA world.

"almost all of them would be happy to do so rather then do the juco route. "

So they can tell their friends, I play at a D1 school. This is the reason most D1 schools suggest the players play at a JUCO with an understanding you are coming here next year or the year after. We are the only school with the grade issue thing. It is the test that gets most HS players. UT, OU, TT and others don't care about the grades. That can be fixed with summer school. The test can't.

Do you think some of the redshirts we have this year would have benefited from playing at a JUCO this season?

Some may have, but with a lot of guys I'd rather they have the extra year of eligibility and not blow a year playing JUCO ball...or do you feel they should take that RS year after they arrive from the JUCO? I'd rather have them practicing in my coaches' system

They don't practice in a system, they run the scout team. Remember Pony, we get redshirts that should be at JUCOs. If you can't play here early........ I understand the extra year to play thing, but remember we are SMU. We need people ready to play when they get here. We should have a pipeline to at least two JUCOs. Vic is the only part of the system the redshirts are getting. That is why it is usually their redshirt soph season before they even play, and then it special teams. Most are not even starters until their redshirt junior season?

[RGV Pony]

I like Dodge the best of our candidates. With Riley coming too, JWill could easily move to safety and become our best safety since Sturdivant.

The kid weighs 150lbs soaking wet. Please stop comparing these HS QB's to the college level. The hits JWill took this year would have ended that kids career. There is a JUCO coach at Cisco JC, he is the former Odessa Permian HC through all the State Championship, bring him in with damn near his entire team and we win CUSA. They are big and fast. Most of the players are TT, OU, and UT kids who could not pass that HS test, (ACT/SAT), or did not want to be redshirted.

actually Parchman (the coach at Cisco) was the coach at Midland Lee, not Permian. Pretty successful there nonetheless...the Cedric Benson teams were his.

[bigdaddy08091]

I like Dodge the best of our candidates. With Riley coming too, JWill could easily move to safety and become our best safety since Sturdivant.

The kid weighs 150lbs soaking wet. Please stop comparing these HS QB's to the college level. The hits JWill took this year would have ended that kids career. There is a JUCO coach at Cisco JC, he is the former Odessa Permian HC through all the State Championship, bring him in with damn near his entire team and we win CUSA. They are big and fast. Most of the players are TT, OU, and UT kids who could not pass that HS test, (ACT/SAT), or did not want to be redshirted.

actually Parchman (the coach at Cisco) was the coach at Midland Lee, not Permian. Pretty successful there nonetheless...the Cedric Benson teams were his.

Thats right, one of them west texas towns.

[Stallion]

if you don't pass the state required tests then I don't believe you can graduate-isn't graduation a requirement of accepting a NCAA scholarship?

[bigdaddy08091]

if you don't pass the state required tests then I don't believe you can graduate-isn't graduation a requirement of accepting a NCAA scholarship?

How many test are there. I am talking about the test to get into college, not the test to get out of HS. You can go to HS for four years and pass, but if you flunk this so-called test you don't graduate? What the hell? Obviously the athletes I am referring to did not score high enough on the SAT/ACT, whatever, to get into a 4 year university, so they attend JUCO for two years and the test scores don't matter.

[Hoop Fan]

SMU coaches should be making a living opening doors for and getting D-1 transfers from all of the neighboring Big 12 schools. We get hardly any. We probably think we are too good for them or something. Its bizarre. Tulsa gets em. Memphis had several yesterday, one from Tennessee and another from Auburn i think.

[Stallion]

OK well SAT/ACT scores are privately run and have been deemphasized by the NCAA by radically lowering the required scores on the sliding scale allowing more players to meet NCAA entrance requirements. The State mandated test is different and I think is a requirement for graduation

[bigdaddy08091]

OK well SAT/ACT scores are privately run and have been deemphasized by the NCAA by radically lowering the required scores on the sliding scale allowing more players to meet NCAA entrance requirements. The State mandated test is different and I think is a requirement for graduation

Well, if the athletes are at a JUCO playing football they passed the graduation test, but possibly failed to score high enough on the SAT/ACT. WE should have recruiters living at these Texas JUCOs.

[Stallion]

or more likely core GPA-which are the 16 or so required courses by the NCAA upon which GPA is calculated for the purpose of admission. Its a sliding scale so technically it is a combination of both core GPA and SAT/ACT.