If OU makes it and UT does not

[WinOrLoseEAGLE]

I've gone back and forth on this, and I just don't see where a playoff really makes a difference.

Yes, I'll used the anit-playoff argument that it devalues the regular season. While everybody loves the NCAA BB tournament, few really pay attention to the regular season until the conference tournaments start. Me, PonyDoh, XTC and a few others do. But for the most part, people aren't watching the games.

From mid-October until the first week of December, USC fans care about what Texas does when they used to care less. Last Saturday, Texas fans were OU fans. All of the anti-Big 10 people were worried about Penn St. until three weeks ago.

Mid-October through early December IS your playoff. The conference champions are getting their bid. But won't touch the title game.

And the hype of the race of this team or that team getting into the playoffs would not hold its value like the BCS system does.

I've heard the Villanova 1985 argument. The reality is so many things would have to break right for 4 weeks for that to happen. The odds are longer in football than in basketball.

And the two teams that play for the title play 16 or 17 games? I don't think so. Whose to say the caliber of game is going to be top notch. It's likely not going be very good because that's an NFL schedule.

I know the money is big but we're talking about 18-22-year old kids whose bodies are not as developed as 25-30-year-olds and can handle this.

And if you do that, you have to change the recruiting schedule, where December is still an important month for on-campus visits, you'd also have to change the signing date and potentially the May evaluation period.
There's a trickle down issue here.

The only time where the computer system was potentially messed up was the year Auburn went undefeated and was denied. Essentially, we've had the game we've wanted and the national champion was appropriately crowned.

Yes, I know people were ticked about Ohio St. the last two years, but they didn't win the game, so the matter was settled.

In this era of the BCS, I have yet to hear the argument where the WRONG team won the national title.

And if it turns out OU goes to the title game, then so be it. But Texas also knows it better lay the wood to A&M because if it doesn't, it knows the door is wide open on Saturday in Stillwater.

Again, this is my opinion.

Last season. Georgia was the best team going into the bowls. LSU was #7 and Georgia was #3 I believe. #2 lost (West Virginia) and LSU jumped from 7 to 2 while Georgia was the better team over the course of the entire season as well as at the end of the season.

LSU won the mythical national championship when clearly the better team wasn't allowed to play. (personally, I think LSU and Georgia should have played for the mnc as they very likely were the two best teams. This year two of the three best teams come out of the Big 12.....and should Alabama pull the upset I think Oklahoma and Texas should face off for the mnc).

Someone earlier said Florida is a joke. I'm really a gator hater but truth be known, Florida would give either Oklahoma or Texas the best game, and may even be favored, should one of those matchups materialize.

[ponyfan84]

Ugh. Playoff involving conference champions. Everyone else just plays bowl games. Problem solved. Fair for all. Everyone still makes money.

I could get behind that. Good idea!

[orguy]

If OU leapfrogs TX there is another huge injustice in this ridiculous system. OU had its "break" a couple of years ago when Auburn went undefeated and never had the chance of playing for the "national title". OU was granted the opportunity and lost by a gazillion points to USC after getting their heads handed to them by KSU in the Big 12 championship game. As to the whole Ohio State thing, this was garbage as well. Ohio State never should have had the opportunity and its why so many people are thankful Iowa beat Penn State this year. The National Championship has always been mythical but its become more so under the BCS. Ironically, with the new ESPN television along with the complicity of the inferior big ten conference it is assured that there will not be a playoff for many years to come.

TX beat them at a neutral site. OU beat Tech in Norman. If the game had been in Lubbock and they destroyed them like that then a stronger argument could be made. Head to head competition should take precedence but evidently this is not true when peoples human opinions get in the way.

If Texas beats tamu they will have earned their way in.

[Mountain Mustang]

If OU leapfrogs TX there is another huge injustice in this ridiculous system. OU had its "break" a couple of years ago when Auburn went undefeated and never had the chance of playing for the "national title". OU was granted the opportunity and lost by a gazillion points to USC after getting their heads handed to them by KSU in the Big 12 championship game. As to the whole Ohio State thing, this was garbage as well. Ohio State never should have had the opportunity and its why so many people are thankful Iowa beat Penn State this year. The National Championship has always been mythical but its become more so under the BCS. Ironically, with the new ESPN television along with the complicity of the inferior big ten conference it is assured that there will not be a playoff for many years to come.

TX beat them at a neutral site. OU beat Tech in Norman. If the game had been in Lubbock and they destroyed them like that then a stronger argument could be made. Head to head competition should take precedence but evidently this is not true when peoples human opinions get in the way.

If Texas beats tamu they will have earned their way in.

The Problem inherent in that argument is if you're going to say head to head is the key, then Tech should be going ahead of Texas. If you say that Tech only won b/c it was at Lubbock then you're just speculating. It's an unprovable assumption that UT would've won that game had it been in Austin. To me it's a completely invalid argument to use head to head in this three way tie situation.

I don't know who should go, but I do know that you could make a good argument for all three teams, and there are good reasons that all 3 shouldn't play in the Big XII Championship Game. The best way to resolve this to me is to defer to the rankings which show who voters and computers think are the best teams at this current moment. Hence losing early and finishing strong is the best way to go in this messed up system.

[Harry0569]

Someone earlier said Florida is a joke. I'm really a gator hater but truth be known, Florida would give either Oklahoma or Texas the best game, and may even be favored, should one of those matchups materialize.[/quote]

Florida will beat whatever Big XII team makes it to the national championship. I don't know if you have watched them on a consistent basis but their offense is unstoppable and their defense creates turnovers like it's their job (which it is). UF will win the national championship by 2+ Td's

[Pony Soup]

If OU leapfrogs TX there is another huge injustice in this ridiculous system. OU had its "break" a couple of years ago when Auburn went undefeated and never had the chance of playing for the "national title". OU was granted the opportunity and lost by a gazillion points to USC after getting their heads handed to them by KSU in the Big 12 championship game. As to the whole Ohio State thing, this was garbage as well. Ohio State never should have had the opportunity and its why so many people are thankful Iowa beat Penn State this year. The National Championship has always been mythical but its become more so under the BCS. Ironically, with the new ESPN television along with the complicity of the inferior big ten conference it is assured that there will not be a playoff for many years to come.

TX beat them at a neutral site. OU beat Tech in Norman. If the game had been in Lubbock and they destroyed them like that then a stronger argument could be made. Head to head competition should take precedence but evidently this is not true when peoples human opinions get in the way.

If Texas beats tamu they will have earned their way in.

The Problem inherent in that argument is if you're going to say head to head is the key, then Tech should be going ahead of Texas. If you say that Tech only won b/c it was at Lubbock then you're just speculating. It's an unprovable assumption that UT would've won that game had it been in Austin. To me it's a completely invalid argument to use head to head in this three way tie situation.

I don't know who should go, but I do know that you could make a good argument for all three teams, and there are good reasons that all 3 shouldn't play in the Big XII Championship Game. The best way to resolve this to me is to defer to the rankings which show who voters and computers think are the best teams at this current moment. Hence losing early and finishing strong is the best way to go in this messed up system.

Arguing that tech should be ahead of texas is completely ridiculous given how this has played out. This is clearly between TX and OU now. A neautral site, h2h matchup is the best data point available - so use it!

Texas should have stolen the game at tt but it wouldnt really have made a difference in my mind. Texas struggled in a big way on the road in hostile territory, just like TT did at OU. OU, on the other hand, didnt play a tough road game. I dont think you would have seen Mizzou get crushed by UT if the game weren't in the loudest stadium i have ever seen in Austin.

Bottom line: If I have rock and you have scissors, do you win because paper beats rock? I didn't think so.