Problems for Torlan Pittman

[PonyTime]

Let me repeat this one more time for Insane, this happens everywhere. Tennessee basketball suspended 4 for robbery. Minnesota basketball has a problem with two players right now. Arizona's Dan Buckner got busted while he was at Texas, Arkansas basketball suspended 6 or 7 before the season started because of a sexual assault issue I believe.

Do I need to go on? I shouldn't have had to repeat this. Think you got just a wee bit defensive.

This also happens at the SAE house, the ATO house, the KEG house, . . . you just don't always hear about it. I am willing to bet that the general student population at SMU has had more infractions with the law than the Football team in the last 5 years . . .

So you're willing to bet a population of 8 thousand has more infractions that a group of 150? Nothing like going out on a limb, huh?

My freshman floor likely had more violations of the law than the SMU football team. And about 50% of them did not return for the second year.

[SMU 86]

these "someone drugged me" cases when a girl was simply too drunk to make good decisions are a crock of you know what.

I find the best bet in these situations is to assume the woman is lying for her own benefit until proven otherwise.

I hope you are either joking, or never have a daughter.

So are you saying that we should assume the two young men are guilty until proven innocent? Just asking.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

look who knows about the facts of this case....who knows who is lying...maybe the truth will come out...of course there is a fine line...but lets be clear just because a girl is drunk/wasted/taking someone else's meds does not mean it is ok to sexually assault her.

[Cadillac]

look who knows about the facts of this case....who knows who is lying...maybe the truth will come out...of course there is a fine line...but lets be clear just because a girl is drunk/wasted/taking someone else's meds does not mean it is ok to sexually assault her.

I don't think anyone is taking the "Pro-Sexual Assault" position here.

-CoS

[WildHorse]

Wasn't Pittman playing DE — at least part time, if not full-time — last season? This might not change the landscape at Nose as much as some say.

Either way, I still think Frazier slides inside, Thompson and Hunt start at DE, and Frazier is joined inside by O'Guin (thank god he enrolled early and can get a spring under his belt) and Jimmy Chase.

Marquis Frazier is NOT 3-4 NG. He is a 3-4 DE. I really hope they get another NG. If they did this Frazier would not be as effective. If they did this If I were Frazier I'd be hacked about it.

That's true, he ideally stays outside at DE. But remember, there were situations this year when the Thompson/Frazier/Hunt lineup was on the field, and was very effective. If Frazier is needed inside, he could be effective (and who knows how hacked he'd be — he played some DT in junior college, didn't he? It's not like he has never been an interior lineman before.) He'd also need to add another 15 or 20 pounds, but I'd bet he could do that, if asked.

Besides, if Hunt keeps progressing like he seems to be, he might be impossible to keep off the field, in which case this alignment would allow the Ponies to have their three best defensive linemen on the field for a maximum amount of plays. Best interest of the team, and all that.

[Junior]

look who knows about the facts of this case....who knows who is lying...maybe the truth will come out...of course there is a fine line...but lets be clear just because a girl is drunk/wasted/taking someone else's meds does not mean it is ok to sexually assault her.

I don't think anyone is taking the "Pro-Sexual Assault" position here.

-CoS

I agree. The truth will hopefully come out, one way or another.

[SMU 86]

Wasn't Pittman playing DE — at least part time, if not full-time — last season? This might not change the landscape at Nose as much as some say.

Either way, I still think Frazier slides inside, Thompson and Hunt start at DE, and Frazier is joined inside by O'Guin (thank god he enrolled early and can get a spring under his belt) and Jimmy Chase.

Marquis Frazier is NOT 3-4 NG. He is a 3-4 DE. I really hope they get another NG. If they did this Frazier would not be as effective. If they did this If I were Frazier I'd be hacked about it.

That's true, he ideally stays outside at DE. But remember, there were situations this year when the Thompson/Frazier/Hunt lineup was on the field, and was very effective. If Frazier is needed inside, he could be effective (and who knows how hacked he'd be — he played some DT in junior college, didn't he? It's not like he has never been an interior lineman before.) He'd also need to add another 15 or 20 pounds, but I'd bet he could do that, if asked. That is not what Coach Mason wants to do.

Besides, if Hunt keeps progressing like he seems to be, he might be impossible to keep off the field, in which case this alignment would allow the Ponies to have their three best defensive linemen on the field for a maximum amount of plays. Best interest of the team, and all that.

Marquis would do fine in spot duty but not an every down player at NG. Also, if the asked him to out on 15 or 20 pound he would lose some of his best asset which is quickness. You said that they may not be able to keep Hunt off the field away, well who was he going to start in front of Frazier or Taylor? I think neither. Also Frazier only played DT every bit of 2 or 3 game in JC before getting hurt. And a 4-3 DT is not the same animal as a 3-4 NG. The big loser in your jacked up scenario would be Frazier. And no it would not be in the best interest of the team. And I don't believe that is what Coach Mason wants to do.

[ProudMama]

look who knows about the facts of this case....who knows who is lying...maybe the truth will come out...of course there is a fine line...but lets be clear just because a girl is drunk/wasted/taking someone else's meds does not mean it is ok to sexually assault her.

THANK YOU

[Rebel10]

look who knows about the facts of this case....who knows who is lying...maybe the truth will come out...of course there is a fine line...but lets be clear just because a girl is drunk/wasted/taking someone else's meds does not mean it is ok to sexually assault her.

THANK YOU

There is nobody saying it's okay to sexual assault anyone regardless of their condition nor is it okay to lie because a person is scorned for some reason. The question is was she actually sexually assaulted. I am sure NOW has already convicted the 2 young men regardless of whether they are innocent or guilty. Let's wait until and let the courts decide on this highly emotional issue.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

I don't think anyone is taking the "Pro-Sexual Assault" position here. -CoS

well Cadi this seems pretty darn close to doing just that...
implying "well the victim probably deserved it" crap
i guess we'll just have to see

these "someone drugged me" cases when a girl was simply too drunk to make good decisions are a crock of you know what.

[az1]

Any way you look at it we are going to have some depth problems along the defensive line next year. 2011 class better have a lot of DT's and DE's in it.

[emilygold]

One thing that can make them seem more guilty is that they did not take her back to her place and then leave her, immediately. Or maybe, if she was very drugged up, to a hospital. No, they took her to Weatherford's. I'd probably go ahead and release Pittman from his scholarship and find someone else. Some men on here sound compassionate and others do not. Remember when the SMU track athlete was kidnapped, raped, robbed and kicked out on the streets nude a few months ago. Some of you guys seemed to feel so badly for her. I feel badly for her too, because it's terrible for her and can completely change one's life forever.I have been sexually assaulted before too.I am a track athlete too, although professionally. When I make comments here I get many guys calling me unflattering names, liking being evil and so on. I stayed off the message board for 2 years because of that. It can be hard to tell which guys are going to be truly good guys.

[Stallion]

I don't think Marquis Frazier was very effective is spot duty at NG. I forgot the game he filled in there but I'm pretty sure it wasn't pretty. He could play NG-but as mentioned he probably can't play both a little NG and a little DE and be effective. He's going to have to bulk up to play NG. I think I prefer him at DE. Margus Hunt has miles and miles to go to be an effective every down player at DE. If you focused on him in games that is is pretty apparent. Does his height and strength cause problems yes especially as a pass rusher-but so does his inexperience.

[Junior]

Looks like we need some walk-on DT help.

[az1]

I don't think Marquis Frazier was very effective is spot duty at NG. I forgot the game he filled in there but I'm pretty sure it wasn't pretty. He could play NG-but as mentioned he probably can't play both a little NG and a little DE and be effective. He's going to have to bulk up to play NG. I think I prefer him at DE. Margus Hunt has miles and miles to go to be an effective every down player at DE. If you focused on him in games that is is pretty apparent. Does his height and strength cause problems yes especially as a pass rusher-but so does his inexperience.

Stallion is right. Frazier did not look good in spot duty at NG. Seems as if the coaching staff has loaded up on wide receivers and offensive lineman in the past 2 classes and now we may pay a price for not loading up on nose guards and defensive ends. Does not seems like we are even recruiting that many to develop either. I hope we do not pay to big of a price for that but I don't see how we can't. We have depth issues now.