KC Radio: Big 10 EXTENDS OFFERS TO 4 SCHOOLS

[ponyboy]

Hey, I drink Bud, have a couple pair of work boots, but you can keep the car. Ford truck for me.

Amen brother.

[East Coast Mustang]

So TCU has a problem as well. Works both ways.

Well, you can keep living in your fantasy land where SMU and TCU are equally attractive to BCS conferences and unicorns roam the fields, or you can come join us in the real world.

[CalallenStang]

So TCU has a problem as well. Works both ways.

Well, you can keep living in your fantasy land where SMU and TCU are equally attractive to BCS conferences and unicorns roam the fields, or you can come join us in the real world.

To the B12, SMU and TCU are equally attractive. To a conference wanting a foothold in Texas, TCU is more attractive. That's all there is to it.

[Samurai Stang]

Well, you can keep living in your fantasy land where SMU and TCU are equally attractive to BCS conferences and unicorns roam the fields, or you can come join us in the real world.

To the B12, SMU and TCU are equally attractive. To a conference wanting a foothold in Texas, TCU is more attractive. That's all there is to it.

Meaning that SMU needs for a conference to need more than one team, or for TCU to be otherwise unavailable.

[CalallenStang]

Well, you can keep living in your fantasy land where SMU and TCU are equally attractive to BCS conferences and unicorns roam the fields, or you can come join us in the real world.

To the B12, SMU and TCU are equally attractive. To a conference wanting a foothold in Texas, TCU is more attractive. That's all there is to it.

Meaning that SMU needs for a conference to need more than one team, or for TCU to be otherwise unavailable.

Correct.

Really, the best thing that can happen to SMU is for Texas to leave the Big 12.

[mathman]

So TCU has a problem as well. Works both ways.

Well, you can keep living in your fantasy land where SMU and TCU are equally attractive to BCS conferences and unicorns roam the fields, or you can come join us in the real world.

No need to get tacky. Trying to have a civil exchange of ideas here.

[Samurai Stang]

Correct.

Really, the best thing that can happen to SMU is for Texas to leave the Big 12.

I would rather Texas go to the Pac-10 than the SEC. I do not trust the Pac-10 to expand beyond 12 if Texas is not a candidate, and whatever creates the greatest upheaval will give SMU the better chance of emerging stronger.

[mathman]

Correct.

Really, the best thing that can happen to SMU is for Texas to leave the Big 12.

I would rather Texas go to the Pac-10 than the SEC. I do not trust the Pac-10 to expand beyond 12 if Texas is not a candidate, and whatever creates the greatest upheaval will give SMU the better chance of emerging stronger.

Agree with you on that. The more movement there is the better our chances.

[East Coast Mustang]

To the B12, SMU and TCU are equally attractive.

How? TCU's program is way ahead of ours in every facet. We both are in the same market, but they have a much better program. Is it the secret handshake? Please tell me, I'm dying to know.

[CalallenStang]

To the B12, SMU and TCU are equally attractive.

How? TCU's program is way ahead of ours in every facet. We both are in the same market, but they have a much better program. Is it the secret handshake? Please tell me, I'm dying to know.

The B12 isn't going to take TCU, SMU, Houston, or anyone else in Texas unless UT and A&M both leave. UT and A&M aren't going anywhere unless CU, Neb, and Mizzou all leave. At that point, the B12 needs 5 schools just to get back to 12 and are going to want to build their own TV network. To get that network on expanded basic in Dallas (resulting in probably 25 cents per month per cable subscriber going to the conference) you have to include both SMU and TCU, as one or the other doesn't command enough of the market to put it on expanded basic (see TCU and the mtn). So TCU and SMU are equally valuable in that situation.

If UT and A&M leave, here's what the Big 12 will probably look like...OU and OSU will probably be gone too.

SMU
TCU
Houston
Rice
Texas Tech
Baylor

BYU
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
Iowa State
Colorado State

This arrangement gets a Big 12 Network on cable in DFW, Houston, San Antonio, Salt Lake, Denver, Memphis, and Kansas City. That's huge.

[Samurai Stang]

If the Big 12 is decimated to this extent, would not the MWC be the new major power and simply add 4 teams (assuming Utah goes to the Pac-10) to go to 12? Would contracts for bowl games be enough to keep the Big 12 from being raided by the MWC as well?

[mathman]

Bet he gets tacky again.

[CalallenStang]

If the Big 12 is decimated to this extent, would not the MWC be the new major power and simply add 4 teams (assuming Utah goes to the Pac-10) to go to 12? Would contracts for bowl games be enough to keep the Big 12 from being raided by the MWC as well?

Basically what I showed was a best of what's left from the MWC with what's left of the B12 plus a few strategic additions. No one wants to be in a conference with SDSU and UNLV if they can help it.

[East Coast Mustang]

The B12 isn't going to take TCU, SMU, Houston, or anyone else in Texas unless UT and A&M both leave. UT and A&M aren't going anywhere unless CU, Neb, and Mizzou all leave. At that point, the B12 needs 5 schools just to get back to 12 and are going to want to build their own TV network. To get that network on expanded basic in Dallas (resulting in probably 25 cents per month per cable subscriber going to the conference) you have to include both SMU and TCU, as one or the other doesn't command enough of the market to put it on expanded basic (see TCU and the mtn). So TCU and SMU are equally valuable in that situation.

If UT and A&M leave, here's what the Big 12 will probably look like...OU and OSU will probably be gone too.

SMU
TCU
Houston
Rice
Texas Tech
Baylor

BYU
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
Iowa State
Colorado State

This arrangement gets a Big 12 Network on cable in DFW, Houston, San Antonio, Salt Lake, Denver, Memphis, and Kansas City. That's huge.

Right, but in terms of a pecking order TCU comes before SMU. As I said in another thread, our best case scenario is for the Big 12 to get completely devastated by realignment. CU to the Pac-10, Neb. and Mizzou to the Big Ten, and possibly Texas, OU, A&M, and OSU to the SEC (longshot). The conference you proposed is certainly a marriage of convenience, but it'd be leaps and bounds ahead of where we are now. My question is, does the SEC take all 4 of those teams, or just go with the Texas schools and try and pluck some ACC teams as well (Clemson, GT, Miami, VT)? In that case, what do OU and OSU do? Could we beat out Houston for the last spot in the Big 12 South if they stay? I say no, because TCU (and OU and Tech and Baylor) already provide a presence in the DFW market, whereas UH still helps tremendously in the Houston market.

[Samurai Stang]

If the Big 12 is decimated to this extent, would not the MWC be the new major power and simply add 4 teams (assuming Utah goes to the Pac-10) to go to 12? Would contracts for bowl games be enough to keep the Big 12 from being raided by the MWC as well?

Basically what I showed was a best of what's left from the MWC with what's left of the B12 plus a few strategic additions. No one wants to be in a conference with SDSU and UNLV if they can help it.

SDSU and UNLV bring large markets, though. Even with their weaknesses, they are preferable to Baylor and Iowa State. I fear that you are too optimistic in this area. Unless the Big 12 can provide a monetary reason as to why is is preferable to the MWC, the MWC will dictate expansion.