DB Jeremy Hall will....

[450fan]

Once players commit and sign, shouldn't they know there position of being accepted or not in a quick time frame?

Particularly if they are qualified.

Just curious.

[Stallion]

yes but there still the issue of how the player performs during his remaining two semesters of his high school career after commiting. The Clearinghouse often doesn't make a ruling until months or even days before a players admission to a school. Usually though when there is a problem this late its with the NCAA Clearinghouse-not the school. Unless Hall bombed his last semester it seems like this is a total disater and embarrassing situation to SMU.

He was eligible during all times of high school junior and senior year because he was a prominent player in Football, Basketball and Baseball during all times including long playoff runs in each sport as a Senior. So he wasn't a No-Pass No Play Casualty. He won the school's highest athletic award based on academic standing, leadership and athletic performance. Which seems to point to a low SAT or possibly SMU having an extra core admission requirement higher than the NCAA. But if it was the SAT then he should have been instructed that he needed to retake the SAT months and months ago. It clearly indicates to me that in June Jones' words when he left Hawaii that "Not Everybody is on the Same Page Pulling Together".

I'm not sure I've seen too many instances of a school waiting until the 11th hour and denying admission to a recruit AFTER passing the NCAA Clearinghouse. Its completely UNFAIR to the student athlete who may be unable to get a college education because of this situation after turning down other school's who would have admitted him. SMU should reverse this decision on that ground alone.

[max the wonder dog]

I hope the bishops and ministers on the board will remember to "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

Athlete or not, you don't treat kids this way.

I hope this decision can be reversed and Jeremy will still want to come to the Hilltop. If not, I wish him the very best of luck in college and in his career.

[Hilltopper]

I'm with you — I wish Jeremy nothing but the best .... hopefully at SMU.

That said, if the decision is reversed and he ends up being accepted, I wouldn't blame him in the slightest if he said "thanks, but no thanks" after SMU turned its back on him.

That said, I really hope SMU does the right thing and admits him, as promised.

[Garret]

I'm not sure I've seen too many instances of a school waiting until the 11th hour and denying admission to a recruit AFTER passing the NCAA Clearinghouse. Its completely UNFAIR to the student athlete who may be unable to get a college education because of this situation after turning down other school's who would have admitted him.

It is unfair and rare but it has happened before. One example was how Hawaii denied admission to a recruit from Oklahoma (Destin Stewart) last August, the weekend before *Fall Camp* was supposed to start. He got the call from Hawaii's coaches the day before he was supposed to get on the plane to Hawaii...the Hawaii coaches were not happy (he had an offer from Oklahoma State and others) and the player was shocked. He ended up getting a scholarship right away from Tulsa and was with them last season, so you'll get to see him on the field in conference games.

The problem is that Hawaii is one of the rare Universities that requires the written portion of the ACT for admission. *Nobody* told Destin that he had to take the written portion and nobody checked to see if he had it until the weekend before training camp began. Given his grades and school history, he probably would have been well above the score needed for admission if he had taken the written portion.

I've personally complained to the powers-that-be about the strange admission standards that Hawaii has that hurts recruiting. When asked a direct question about these odd standards for admission that have nothing to do with whether or not a student will succeed in college, UH's Chancellor said that UH understands that some students can get into Harvard, MIT, and Stanford but can be denied admission into UH...and she said that will not be changed. I refrained from any further replies...

http://www.newsok.com/high-school-notebook-destin-stewarts-wild-ride-to-college-vova-razryvin-wins-moore-qb-battle/article/3393277?custom_click=lead_story_title

[Stallion]

If I had to guess on Hall I wouldn't be surprised if he scored higher than say a 2.8 GPA but lower than a 700 SAT. Remember a few years ago the NCAA used to require a 700 minimum SAT which created quite a controversy for critics of the SAT/ACT. The NCAA deemphasized the SAT/ACT by basically stating there was no minimum SAT. So if you somehow manage to excell in the classroom but bomb the SAT you can still get in through the NCAA Clearinghouse with a 2.8 or better GPA. In fact you can get in with an absolutely horrible 540 SAT with say a 3.2 GPA. The issue would be why he didn't retake the SAT. its really pretty darn hard not to qualify under these new standards especially if you do decent in the Classroom-its fair to SMU to point out that its really not the same situation Rossley, Gregg and Cavan used to deal with under Pye in the examples given above. SMU used to closely scrutinize all recruits scoring less than 950 when the NCAA minmum was 700. Here is the sliding scale-you decide-should SMU admit athletes with an SAT lower than 700 for example:

https://web1.ncaa.org/eligibilitycenter ... ndards.pdf

[Roach]

Is that how the admissions committee comes into play? When a prospective student has a qualifying GPA or test score but not both?

[Ralph]

SMU's high academic standard is a selling point to recruits, Jone and Reinbold have mentioned it often and it's the very reason Jones came to SMU. He wanted to resurrect a football program with a good history, albeit SMU glory days were about two decades ago, and had a solid academic foundation. He mentioned Duke as his other option he would considered if the HC was open and offered. The administration made some concessions in the curriculum to better accommodate the challenged athlete, it's the athlete's responsibility to take care of business in high school, and it's the admissions office responsibility to keep SMU academic standards high. Otherwise the value you put on your SMU degree swank with the knowledge by your peers that the standards at SMU have been lowered to accommodate athletes.

[Samurai Stang]

The administration made some concessions in the curriculum to better accommodate the challenged athlete, it's the athlete's responsibility to take care of business in high school, and it's the admissions office responsibility to keep SMU academic standards high. Otherwise the value you put on your SMU degree swank with the knowledge by your peers that the standards at SMU have been lowered to accommodate athletes.

You are equating admissions with graduating. I assure you, not all individuals that are admitted into SMU graduate. If undeserving athletes do not graduate, then the degree does not suffer.

This debate only concerns admissions. Better academic schools than SMU would accept this player. Do not presume that every act of aggression perpetrated against the football team is in the name of "academics."

I would not have guessed that Pye would take on the name 'Ralph' in his next life.

[RE Tycoon]

another player was also sent packing last week, and has been admitted to a bcs school.

if it's who I think it is, this is someone who LOVED SMU. Had been counting down the days until he moved to Dallas. Was glad to point out two BCS schools who came on late, but lost out because he was coming to SMU. He wore an SMU shirt under his graduation gown.

Who is it? If they enrolled somewhere else, no reason to keep it a secret

[Dutch]

Further, Turner, Orsini and Jones are all on vacation right now. So any kind of definitive action can't (or won't) be taken until next week at the earliest.

don't think they're not paying attention to the attention this situation is getting. Turner is well aware, and responding to emails.

[Samurai Stang]

Further, Turner, Orsini and Jones are all on vacation right now. So any kind of definitive action can't (or won't) be taken until next week at the earliest.

don't think they're not paying attention to the attention this situation is getting. Turner is well aware, and responding to emails.

While we consider when to begin, it becomes too late.

[Ralph]

who is Pye?

[RGV Pony]

who is Pye?

you're kidding right?

[NickSMU17]

Can someone forward me turner's email...I can't find it?