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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby George S. Patton » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:29 pm

I've been saying to OC Mustang and a couple of others that I believe the go-to WR on this group is Darius Johnson not Aldrick. And while he has the most receptions of the corps, I don't think Kyle looks to him as much as he should.

Darius isn't the burner Aldrick, but I think he's the playmaker of the bunch if Kyle would give him the opportunity to do so.

Beaseley really needs to be the third option on this group. And yes, it is irritating that Wilkerson couldn't get his act together.

There's a part of me that believes that it make take another two years before we have a really solid WR group in place because of experience that needs to be gained. These kids we picked off from the 2010 class appear to be pretty solid but I would suspect that it would take until 2012 before we really know what they are capable of delivering.

In 2011, you're going to have Beaseley and Johnson and who else am I missing?
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby sbsmith » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:36 pm

George S. Patton wrote:I've been saying to OC Mustang and a couple of others that I believe the go-to WR on this group is Darius Johnson not Aldrick. And while he has the most receptions of the corps, I don't think Kyle looks to him as much as he should.

Darius isn't the burner Aldrick, but I think he's the playmaker of the bunch if Kyle would give him the opportunity to do so.

Beaseley really needs to be the third option on this group. And yes, it is irritating that Wilkerson couldn't get his act together.

There's a part of me that believes that it make take another two years before we have a really solid WR group in place because of experience that needs to be gained. These kids we picked off from the 2010 class appear to be pretty solid but I would suspect that it would take until 2012 before we really know what they are capable of delivering.

In 2011, you're going to have Beaseley and Johnson and who else am I missing?




Isn't Haynes a Junior and shouldn't Wilkerson be back for 2011? Also Holman (true freshman) has caught a few balls this year.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Mestengo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:58 pm

Willkerson coming back, good question anyone know how he's doing in school?
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby RGV Pony » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:01 pm

Guinyard healthy will be a big plus
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Dukster » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:05 pm

Mestengo wrote:I'm Just going to go ahead and say he is not getting better.
IMO when he played in Hawaii I don't think he knew June's offense . He got rid of the ball fast perhaps only looking at one or two receivers. Maybe he would be more effective gong back to that rather than taking 8 seconds to check down and do what he's been doing.

At this point I see him as one step above BLM.



I agree with you. Let's get KP back to the player who played so well in the Hawaii Bowl. Can we also bring back Mitch to play center, Emmanuel as the go to receiver, and Shawmbrey to catch the swing passes out of the backfield as well as the shuffle pass? Do you think that makes a difference. How many passes has our RB's this year caught? Is any of our receivers on pace to catch 100 passes? How many penalties and missed assignments have come from the o-line? Center anticipating a snap how many times? KP plays with 3 different players this year than the big 3 who left us. Additionally, the 10 team mates he plays with now have to play better. Do you really think a 19 year old QB will be able to counter 10 others that aren't playing well. Ask Tony Romo what his opinion is. Quit dreaming of last year's bowl game. It is history. Leave BLM out of the discussion. The guy doesn't play here anymore. He's taken enough grief in the past 2 years. Many of you say the QB is staring down his receiver, when in reality, he's looking at the db that he keys on. Just because his head is looking left/right, doesn't mean he's looking at the reciver instead of the db. Sorry for the rant, but, I believe JJ realizes that we have a lot of work to do. let him do it.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Stallion » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:19 pm

Jeremy Johnson also has the skill set to help us next year. June Jones doesn't give second string receivers much opportunity to develop during the season. I'd expect to see him demonstrate his skills in spring-I would think he should develop along the lines of Darius Johnson once he gets a shot although he is learning a new position.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby RGV Pony » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:05 pm

Cole Loftin will be back
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Mestengo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:19 pm

I agree with you. Let's get KP back to the player who played so well in the Hawaii Bowl. Can we also bring back Mitch to play center, Emmanuel as the go to receiver, and Shawmbrey to catch the swing passes out of the backfield as well as the shuffle pass? Do you think that makes a difference. How many passes has our RB's this year caught? Is any of our receivers on pace to catch 100 passes? How many penalties and missed assignments have come from the o-line? Center anticipating a snap how many times? KP plays with 3 different players this year than the big 3 who left us. Additionally, the 10 team mates he plays with now have to play better. Do you really think a 19
year old QB will be able to counter 10 others that aren't playing well. Ask Tony Romo what his opinion is. Quit dreaming of last year's bowl game. It is history. Leave BLM out of the discussion. The guy doesn't play here anymore. He's taken enough grief in the past 2 years. Many of you say the QB is staring down his receiver, when in reality, he's looking at the db that he keys on. Just because his head is looking left/right, doesn't mean he's looking at the reciver instead of the db. Sorry for the rant, but, I believe JJ realizes that we have a lot of work to do. let him do it.[/quote]

I brought up a valid point. And I will always speak my mind.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Dukster » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:10 pm

You claim you brought up a valid point, however, nearly 50% of the Hawaii bowl offensive players are gone. It's a different team. Aside from Mitch, E, and SMc, Leribus and Wilkerson are out. 5 starters gone from a team that beat a team not as good as Tech, TCU, Navy, and Houston. However, if the QB would just throw for 460 every game, maybe we would be 6-2, even 8-0. You claim to be a student of the game, Mestengo, maybe you are, however, be realistic, this team struggles in the secondary (even with Moore playing -- without him, just plain ugly). How many INTs did we drop against UH? 2 hit them right in the hands. How many turnovers has the defense got the last 3 games -- I believe 0. How many special teams gaffs had we had this year? Every game. I said every game. Kick off returns, muffed punts, inability to kick our own FGs, and lastly, our inability to get our defense off the field. The opposition's 3rd down conversion % kills us, yet, you contend that everything starts with the QB. Sorry, I disagree. A student of the game will realize there's more to SMU's problems than the QB. You could say it begins at the top, and includes lotty, dotty, and everybody. I'll be in New Orleans to support the team, will you?
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Mestengo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:31 pm

I don't go to the games. And I don't read novels.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby sbsmith » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:42 pm

RGV Pony wrote:Cole Loftin will be back



Almost forgot about him, he has had some bad luck with injuries so far.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Big Hoss » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:59 am

We may just be witnessing what last season would have looked like had we not taken some of those blocked kicks to the house. I'd say we are basically the same quality of team as last year, despite the fact that we lost some quality starters on offense.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby davidpaul123 » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:27 am

Dukster has some valid points here:
1) Why are we not running an RB out in the flat like we did with Shawnbrey last year for KP to check down to?
2) Sanders ALWAYS got open. I dont know that I cna say that about our current group of recievers.
3) I have come around to the fact that our QB-center exchange is not where it needs to be and Kyle reaching out for the ball and having to regroup eats up time he could be using to survey the field.

That said, Kyle needs to make quicker reads and get rid of the ball in less time.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby Mestengo » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:09 am

davidpaul123 wrote:Dukster has some valid points here:
1) Why are we not running an RB out in the flat like we did with Shawnbrey last year for KP to check down to?
2) Sanders ALWAYS got open. I dont know that I cna say that about our current group of recievers.
3) I have come around to the fact that our QB-center exchange is not where it needs to be and Kyle reaching out for the ball and having to regroup eats up time he could be using to survey the field.

That said, Kyle needs to make quicker reads and get rid of the ball in less time.


The center of attention may be a valid issue.
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Re: Kyle Padron

Postby davidpaul123 » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:29 am

Mestengo wrote:
davidpaul123 wrote:Dukster has some valid points here:
1) Why are we not running an RB out in the flat like we did with Shawnbrey last year for KP to check down to?
2) Sanders ALWAYS got open. I dont know that I cna say that about our current group of recievers.
3) I have come around to the fact that our QB-center exchange is not where it needs to be and Kyle reaching out for the ball and having to regroup eats up time he could be using to survey the field.

That said, Kyle needs to make quicker reads and get rid of the ball in less time.


The center of attention may be a valid issue.

While its damn near impossible to prove Sanders is always open, its just my opinion I think the lack of dump offs to the RBs can be noted in that Shawnbrey had 31 catches last year whereas Zach has only 10 through 8 games. Not a HUGE difference but still good for a couple per game.
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