Pac 12 will not Expand past 12

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

I spoke to a friend with knowledge of the decision-making process at one of the PAC-12 schools. Of course, everything I relay here is third-party hearsay and, assuming its correct, only represents the perspective of one school. It's also not exactly breaking news. But I found it interesting nonetheless.

Apparently, the PAC-12 Presidents were not at all enthusiastic about even the concept of expansion beyond 12. So Larry Scott, who is a proponent, had a very big sell job to do from the get-go. With respect to the specific expansion candidates, there was ZERO enthusiasm for Texas Tech and OSU, and not much more for OU. The entire deal hinged on Texas. Apparently, the PAC-12 Presidents were only willing to even consider the deal if it included Texas. But they were also adament that the PAC-12's equal-revenue sharing model remain in place. So unless Texas gave up its special LHN deal and bought in 100% to the equal revenue sharing model, there were at least 50% of the PAC-12 Presidents who were going to vote no on the deal. Texas wouldn't relent, and Larry Scott simply didn't have the votes.

I find this interesting in light of all the media baloney we've seen over the past few weeks about OU holding all the cards. If what I've been told is true, OU never had a shot at the PAC-12 unless Texas came along. So Texas held all the power. Now OU is running out of options. Unless they have a legitimate shot at the SEC (and I have no idea if they do), their only viable option is to remain in the Big-12. That means they'll have to swallow whatever Texas crams down their throat.

[NickSMU17]

PAc 10 and Big 10...may not beat SEC in football, but have way more brains than everyone else...

[HB Pony Dad]

Ummm, yeah, I called this several weeks ago. Shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who can read the tea leaves. Just call me the oracle or something, I guess. Stanford and Cal weren't about to break bread with the hillbillies in Lubbock, Stillwater, and Norman.

B12 will stay together now with Texas and OU. Texas would rather run their own conference than play second fiddle in a geographically isolated ACC. And OU is out of options- B10 and SEC won't take them since they have to have OSU tagging along.

The question is, who was #4?

It took 4 blocks to vote against expansion, right? Let's assume Stanford and Cal. We know Colorado was a No--they publicly stated as much. We also have to assume Arizona was a yes. Younger Stoops wouldn't have let Oklahoma run around running their mouth if he knew they didn't have the votes. And assume Utah is a yes as well, they are just happy to be there.

Gotta be Neuheisel or Erickson.

Good question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these aren't the coaches voting, it's university presidents who typically serve at the leisure of their boards of trustees/regents/whatever. USC? Maybe HB Pony Dad can shed some light on their feelings towards the Pac-16. I could see UCLA as well.

Oregon? Washington? Maybe some of those NW schools weren't thrilled about sending all of their non revenue teams across three time zones...could have certainly been more than 4 schools against.

Everyone needs to realize that there was never an actual vote, but Scott addressed the prospects of expansion, and the needed majority was not there.

The PAC-12 vote procedure is as follows:

Membership shall be limited to institutions of higher education holding Division I membership in the NCAA.
Applicants shall provide such information as may be deemed necessary and appropriate by the Commissioner.
New members may only be admitted to the Conference by three-fourths vote of the entire CEO Group.

The CEO Group consists of:

Each member of the Conference shall have one representative on the CEO Group which shall be the President
of the member (“Chief Executive Officer”), except as to the University of California, Berkeley; the University of
California, Los Angeles; and the University of Colorado, Boulder, the respective Chancellor shall be considered
the Chief Executive Officer.

USC and UCLA were initally opposed to the Pac 10 even going to 12 as they had their own non-equal revenue sources. Scott had to convince them that the new TV contract that could be negotiated with 12 teams that included the Denver and Salt Lake City markets would more then compensate for the loss of any separate revenue streams. USC and UCLA accepted the equal sharing provisions and the Pac 12 was completed.

The fact that USC and UCLA had to give up their separate source of income and then allow BEVO to join with unequal sharing was a contributing factor in thier BLACK BALLS!

UC Berkeley and Stanford were most certainly the other two BLACK BALLS!

Colorado had just run as far away from BEVO as possible so BLACK BALL No. 5 was most probably theirs.

The sixth BLACK BALL was most likely from Washington as they too hold some semblance of academic excellence as a criterion for membership.

We'll never know what might have been with out BEVO's demands for unequal revenue streams but it appears BEVO did it again.

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

It's interesting that Scott was not even close to having the votes he needed to expand. In fact, it looks like he didn't even have a simple majority. If this would have actually gone to a vote, I think more than 50% of the existing PAC-12 schools would have voted no.

[East Coast Mustang]

I spoke to a friend with knowledge of the decision-making process at one of the PAC-12 schools. Of course, everything I relay here is third-party hearsay and, assuming its correct, only represents the perspective of one school. It's also not exactly breaking news. But I found it interesting nonetheless.

Apparently, the PAC-12 Presidents were not at all enthusiastic about even the concept of expansion beyond 12. So Larry Scott, who is a proponent, had a very big sell job to do from the get-go. With respect to the specific expansion candidates, there was ZERO enthusiasm for Texas Tech and OSU, and not much more for OU. The entire deal hinged on Texas. Apparently, the PAC-12 Presidents were only willing to even consider the deal if it included Texas. But they were also adament that the PAC-12's equal-revenue sharing model remain in place. So unless Texas gave up its special LHN deal and bought in 100% to the equal revenue sharing model, there were at least 50% of the PAC-12 Presidents who were going to vote no on the deal. Texas wouldn't relent, and Larry Scott simply didn't have the votes.

I find this interesting in light of all the media baloney we've seen over the past few weeks about OU holding all the cards. If what I've been told is true, OU never had a shot at the PAC-12 unless Texas came along. So Texas held all the power. Now OU is running out of options. Unless they have a legitimate shot at the SEC (and I have no idea if they do), their only viable option is to remain in the Big-12. That means they'll have to swallow whatever Texas crams down their throat.

100% spot on. I've been preaching this for weeks around here. Ya'll should pay me to post

[RGV Pony]

good work East Coast Mustang

[smupony94]

If you get paid, so do I. My insight is just as valuable

[ericdickerson4life]

Do I have to pay since my insight is worthless?

[smupony94]

Do I have to pay since my insight is worthless?

No, you will be paid more.

[HB Pony Dad]

As a USC alum...

all I can say is

WE ARE THE

UNIVERSITY OF SUCCESS & CHARM

[East Coast Mustang]

As a USC alum...

all I can say is

WE ARE THE

UNIVERSITY OF SUCCESS & CHARM

University of Scoundrels and Cheaters

[HB Pony Dad]

'Nothing but a lot of envy'

-Mike Garrett

[ThadFilms]

Several of the Pac-8 schools never wanted to move to the Pac-10... some history via wikipedia (and yes we wanted to cover the scandals in the PCC in the movie - yes that movie, Pony Excess) ... but adding UT or schools across the country is nothing new for these cats:

Pacific Coast Conference

The roots of the Pac-12 Conference go back to December 2, 1915, when the Pacific Coast Conference (PCC) was founded at a meeting at the Imperial Hotel in Portland, Oregon. Charter members were the University of California (now University of California, Berkeley), the University of Washington, the University of Oregon, and Oregon Agricultural College (now Oregon State University). The conference began play in 1916.

One year later, Washington State College (now Washington State University) joined the league, followed by Stanford University in 1918.

In 1922, the PCC expanded to eight teams with the admission of USC and Idaho. Montana joined the Conference in 1924, and in 1928, the PCC grew to 10 members with the addition of UCLA.

For many years, the conference split into two divisions for basketball—a Southern Division comprising the four California schools and a Northern Division comprising the six schools in the Pacific Northwest.

In 1950, Montana departed to join the Mountain States Conference. The PCC continued as a nine-team league through 1958.


AAWU (Big Five and Big Six)

Following a "pay-for-play" scandal at several PCC institutions (specifically Cal, USC, UCLA and Washington), the PCC disbanded in 1959. When those four and Stanford started talking about forming a new conference, retired Admiral Thomas J. Hamilton interceded and suggested the schools consider creating a "power conference." Nicknamed the "Airplane Conference", the five PCC schools would have played with other big schools including Army, Navy, Air Force, Notre Dame, Penn, Penn State, Duke, and Georgia Tech among others. The effort fell through when a Pentagon official vetoed the idea and the service academies backed out.

On July 1, 1959 the new Athletic Association of Western Universities was formed, with Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, and Washington as charter members. The conference also was popularly known as the Big Five from 1960 to 62; when Washington State joined in 1962, the conference was then informally known as the Big Six.


Pacific-8

Oregon and Oregon State joined in 1964. With the addition of the two Oregon schools, the conference became known unofficially as the Pacific-8 (as there already was a Big Eight Conference). Idaho was never invited to join the AAWU; the Vandals were independent for four years until the formation of the Big Sky Conference in 1963.

In 1968, the AAWU formally renamed itself the Pacific-8 Conference, or Pac-8 for short.


Pacific-10

In 1978, the conference added WAC schools Arizona and Arizona State, to create the Pacific-10 Conference or Pac-10.

In the mid-1990s the conference expressed interest in admitting the University of Colorado, as well as the University of Texas after the collapse of the Southwest Conference. Texas expressed an interest in joining a strong academic conference, but joined three fellow SWC schools (Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Baylor) to combine with the Big Eight Conference to form the Big 12 Conference in 1996. Colorado elected at the time to remain in the newly-formed Big 12 Conference.

Before the addition of Colorado and Utah in 2011, only one Division I conference, the Ivy League, had maintained its membership for a longer time than the Pac-10. Commissioner Larry Scott said on February 9, 2010, that the window for expansion by the conference was open for the next year as the conference began negotiations for a new television deal. Speaking on a conference call to introduce former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg as his new deputy, Scott talked about possibly adding new teams to the conference and launching a new television network. Scott, the former head of the Women’s Tennis Association, took over the conference in July 2009. In his first eight months on the job, he saw growing interest from the membership over the possibility of adding teams for the first time since Arizona and Arizona State joined the conference in 1978.


Pacific-12

In early June 2010, there were reports that the Pac-10 would be considering adding up to six teams to the conference, including Texas Tech University, University of Texas at Austin, University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State University, University of Colorado at Boulder, or possibly Baylor University and Texas A&M University.

On June 10, 2010, the University of Colorado at Boulder officially accepted an invitation to join the Pac-10 Conference, effective in the 2012–2013 academic year. The school later announced it would join the conference a year early than previously announced, in the 2011-2012 academic year.

On June 15, 2010, a deal was reached between Texas and the Big 12 Conference to keep Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in the Big 12. Following Texas' decision, the other Big 12 schools that had been rumored candidates to join the Pac-10 announced they would remain in the Big 12. This deal effectively ended the Pac-10's ambition to potentially become a sixteen-team conference.

On June 17, 2010, the University of Utah officially accepted an invitation to join the Pac-10 Conference, effective in the 2011–2012 school year. Utah was a member of the WAC with Arizona and Arizona State before they left for the Pac-10. The Utes joined the Pac-12 from the Mountain West Conference. Utah is also the first "BCS Buster" to join a BCS conference, having played in (and won) two BCS games beforehand, and one of the first to leave the MWC, of which Utah was a charter member.

On July 27, 2010, the conference unveiled a new logo and announced that the Pac-10 would be renamed to the Pac-12 when two new universities would join the conference. On October 21, 2010 the Pac-12 announced that it would be divided into two divisions for purposes of football, with the North Division consisting of the schools in Oregon, Washington, and Northern California and the South Division consisting of Colorado, Utah, and the schools in Arizona and Southern California. On July 1, 2011 the Pac-12 assumed its current alignment when both Colorado and Utah officially joined as full members.

To this day, the Pac-12 claims the PCC's history as its own. It inherited the PCC's berth in the Rose Bowl, and the eight largest schools in the old PCC all eventually joined the new league. However, the older league had a separate charter.

The Pac-12 is one of the founding members of the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation, a conference organized to provide competition in non-revenue Olympic sports. All Pac-12 members participate in at least one MPSF sport (men's and women's indoor track and field both actually have enough participating Pac-12 schools for the conference to sponsor a championship, but the Pac-12 has opted not to do so), and for certain sports, the Pac-12 admits certain schools as Associate Members.

[well travelled pony]

Yep. Pac whatever has had a long and twisted road. Cheating was rampant in days gone by. There are even plenty of stories I heard growing up about it all. Even to the times that Jackie Robinson went to ucla, and was driving around in a new car 1939 style.

Go Ponies!