Gerald Ford needs to be renovated

[feelthehorsepower]

And on another note, does anyone have any idea how much it would cost to build an indoor practice facility? How much would it cost to relocate the soccer complex? The new coach will want an IPF. Sorry, if there is already a thread about this.

Didn't TCU's cost like $7M or something?

Could we just build the Indoor Practice Facility where the intramural field is right now? Or next to Meadows museum where our practice field is?

[SMU2007]

Yeah but it goes to show how ungrateful our school is. Now that our schools is an 8-5 program these recent years, we are mad because we aren't in the Big 12, we are mad because the stadium doesn't fill.

It took TCU more than 15 years to get into the Big 12. It took them until 2012 (when they opened their stadium and were in the big 12) to sell out their stadium. It takes patience. I think June Jones has done a lot for our program. However, I do not think he is the coach that will take us to 12-0 and into BCS bowls. For that we are going to have to get someone Expen$$$ive and we will have to throw down at least $5 million for a name like Kirby Smart or Baylor's Offensive Coordinator.

you are loony. people are upset because we have an abysmal record against teams with winning records. our recruiting is on the level of UNT in year 6 of a "high profile" coach, with no promise of getting better in the near future. we have gotten annihilated by almost any team that people care about.

i don't think people are directly upset that we aren't in the big 12.

and you realize only 2 coaches in college football make $5 mil, right? (Saban and Mack)

[CenTXpony]

Wow...after reading everthing here...just wow. So if you talk good about our coach, you become a pariah. I should've known...welcome to SMU folks! Some things never change...

Lord... most of the stuff said is a joke and not meant to be taken literally except what's said about the staff. I do not agree with the people who think June should stay however I do not wish that they'd shutup or go away... do you honestly think SMU is the only school where fans have mixed feelings about their HC or even players? If so I'd strongly advise that you take a gander at Orangebloods or WV Sports. I remember Cal fans were about 50/50 on Jeff Tedford staying or going the season before he got fired and he went 82-57 during his time after taking them to a bowl in his first season following a 1-10 season. It's the reality of college football.

[feelthehorsepower]

Wow...after reading everthing here...just wow. So if you talk good about our coach, you become a pariah. I should've known...welcome to SMU folks! Some things never change...

Lord... most of the stuff said is a joke and not meant to be taken literally except what's said about the staff. I do not agree with the people who think June should stay however I do not wish that they'd shutup or go away... do you honestly think SMU is the only school where fans have mixed feelings about their HC or even players? If so I'd strongly advise that you take a gander at Orangebloods or WV Sports. I remember Cal fans were about 50/50 on Jeff Tedford staying or going the season before he got fired and he went 82-57 during his time after taking them to a bowl in his first season following a 1-10 season. It's the reality of college football.

I guess you're right.

[CenTXpony]

Wow...after reading everthing here...just wow. So if you talk good about our coach, you become a pariah. I should've known...welcome to SMU folks! Some things never change...

Lord... most of the stuff said is a joke and not meant to be taken literally except what's said about the staff. I do not agree with the people who think June should stay however I do not wish that they'd shutup or go away... do you honestly think SMU is the only school where fans have mixed feelings about their HC or even players? If so I'd strongly advise that you take a gander at Orangebloods or WV Sports. I remember Cal fans were about 50/50 on Jeff Tedford staying or going the season before he got fired and he went 82-57 during his time after taking them to a bowl in his first season following a 1-10 season. It's the reality of college football.

I guess you're right.

I don't know if that's sarcasm or not because I haven't seen you post much but either way welcome to PonyFans. Glad to have another poster on here.

[Mustangsabu]

I agree. I was not absolving JJ of his role in that.

But you were using the example that he hasn't had a QB for four years as reason for more time but here you're saying he does deserve some blame for that. Which is it? You can't have it both ways

I don't see the inconsistency.

I understand JJ bringing in his own guy (even though I am sure JW would have won more than 1 game). BLM was a miss. But Kyle Padron seemed to all to be the real deal. We were all thinking Heisman possibilities when he went 5-1 in his first 6 starts as a true freshman. In 2010 we made it to the conference championship game and a bowl game, but Kyle was bothered by injuries for the latter part of the season and, maybe as a result of that, his trajectory of improvement leveled out a little. I don't think we know the whole story, but KP (and maybe Mr. Patron, Sr.) did enough to convince JJ to bench him after the awful start to the A&M game and go the rest of the season with JJMcD. There is the issue of the "injury" to Kyle but I really don't think we know enough about what went on to blame JJ for the departure of Kyle. McDermott did an outstanding job until he got injured against TCU (or UCF), and he showed a great return to form in the Compass Bowl. But the fact that a transfer in his last year of eligibility was playing raises flags. Again, however, it is not that clear cut, Steven Kaiser was much hyped upon his arrival and was expected as I recall (I am open to correction) to succeed Kyle, but he was struck down by multiple bouts of mono and history does not show how much this affected his play though it is clear from the use of JJMcD and then throwing GG right into the mix, that Kaiser was not going to get the job done. Connor Preston of course was also in the mix but was, it seems, a total miss. But given the dramatic failure and departure of the bright star that KP represented, I don't think it is a surprise that QBs of top caliber were not signing up. We all expected Kyle to be playing his senior year last year. This year would have been where the failure of Kaiser or Preston to meet expectations would be felt, and I am guessing we would have thrown RS Freshman Burcham into the fray. GG has at least allowed Burcham to get another year in the system before hitting the field, my guess is that the original plan was probably Kaiser this year, and maybe next, but with Burcham challenging.

In summation, I think the lack of understanding exactly what happened with Kyle, his injury, etc., along with the illness of Steven Kaiser makes it hard to lay all the blame on JJ for the lack of stability at the QB position. Neal Burcham is the top QB recruit we have had under JJ (transfers aside), and he is on pace to to start in his RS Sophomore year. I think one can at least fashion an argument that having JJ here next year would be rational as far as the QB goes. Otherwise we are having a new coach and a QB who has never started and who (if it's Burcham) has never played in that coaches system, or (in the case of another QB brought in by the coach) is probably a true freshman who was never played college ball. This would be one instance where I think it would be an advantage to have June here next year. A coach who follows June in 2015 would at lease inherit a starting QB RS Junior with a year of starting experience.

[feelthehorsepower]

Lord... most of the stuff said is a joke and not meant to be taken literally except what's said about the staff. I do not agree with the people who think June should stay however I do not wish that they'd shutup or go away... do you honestly think SMU is the only school where fans have mixed feelings about their HC or even players? If so I'd strongly advise that you take a gander at Orangebloods or WV Sports. I remember Cal fans were about 50/50 on Jeff Tedford staying or going the season before he got fired and he went 82-57 during his time after taking them to a bowl in his first season following a 1-10 season. It's the reality of college football.[/quote]

I guess you're right.[/quote]

I don't know if that's sarcasm or not because I haven't seen you post much but either way welcome to PonyFans. Glad to have another poster on here.[/quote]

No, it's not sarcasm. I am class of 2011. I was here when SMU sucked...then JJ came along and we got better, not Big 12 better, but just better. I agree with many of you that we do need a new coach to take us to the next level.

[lwjr]

You think Ponyfans is bad, go read the LSU boards. People have wanted Les Miles gone for several years now. All he had done is compiled a 90-22 overall, 49-18 in SEC play, 4-3 in bowl games with one national championship while at LSU. I don't agree with a lot of his player discipline decisions, but it is the SEC. Now that is a tough crowd.

[Lebanese4Life]

am i the only one who scrolls over mustangabu's posts because of the sheer length of them? keep it short and sweet bro

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

It's the reality of college football.

You are correct sir.
The guy that replaces June will have a short honeymoon.
It's just the nature of the job and human nature as well.
If he wins or if he loses somebody is going to be pizzed!
Hopefully less will be pizzed at 10 wins than 7 wins.
I am sure there are people on the OU message board that have called for Stoops head.

[LA_Mustang]

Yeah but it goes to show how ungrateful our school is. Now that our schools is an 8-5 program these recent years, we are mad because we aren't in the Big 12, we are mad because the stadium doesn't fill.

It took TCU more than 15 years to get into the Big 12. It took them until 2012 (when they opened their stadium and were in the big 12) to sell out their stadium. It takes patience. I think June Jones has done a lot for our program. However, I do not think he is the coach that will take us to 12-0 and into BCS bowls. For that we are going to have to get someone Expen$$$ive and we will have to throw down at least $5 million for a name like Kirby Smart or Baylor's Offensive Coordinator.

You're so way off base. First, if you make a bold statement like firing JJ will doom us don't flip-flop on your next post. Stick to your guns. Our school/fan base is not ungrateful to JJ. If you spent anytime on this board, most on here are very grateful to JJ for helping to get us out of obscurity. But the progress of the program has plateaued, or to honest it has regressed. If you follow our recruiting you would know we are terrible at it, which is the lifeline of a college football program. That is fact.

Comparing us to TCU's rise is laughable. In 1999 TCU beat USC in the Sun Bowl. We have not had a victory of that significance post-DP. They built on that success by improving recruiting and continuing to beat beat BCS/Big XII teams. They forced their way in the Big XII through big wins and recruiting. Not by winning 6-8 games against C-USA schools and winning the Hawaii Bowl. Not by recruiting diamond in the rough recruits with no other offers and then coaching the kids up.

As others have posted, we will have to overpay to get a good assistant, but not 5 million that's silly. Regardless, we have to do it to survive.

[LA_Mustang]

No, it's not sarcasm. I am class of 2011. I was here when SMU sucked...then JJ came along and we got better, not Big 12 better, but just better. I agree with many of you that we do need a new coach to take us to the next level.

If you were on the 4-year plan, JJ got here the same year you did, 2008. So you're agreeing that we need a new coach now, so does that make you ungrateful?

[CenTXpony]

I think SMUalumni11 made a new username and was baptized in the house of Junesus by Abu.... FOR THE RECORD IM KIDDING.

[feelthehorsepower]

No, it's not sarcasm. I am class of 2011. I was here when SMU sucked...then JJ came along and we got better, not Big 12 better, but just better. I agree with many of you that we do need a new coach to take us to the next level.

If you were on the 4-year plan, JJ got here the same year you did, 2008. So you're agreeing that we need a new coach now, so does that make you ungrateful?

Got here in '07, Phil Bennet was on the way out.

I agree we need a new coach to take us to the next level, but I am grateful of where JJ has taken us, from 1-11 to having a program that P5 schools will at least play with. (be it for any reason)

[blackoutpony]

am i the only one who scrolls over mustangabu's posts because of the sheer length of them? keep it short and sweet bro

Right there with you. He's also full of crap so I don't tend to bother.

I agree we need a new coach to take us to the next level, but I am grateful of where JJ has taken us, from 1-11 to having a program that P5 schools will at least play with. (be it for any reason)

Almost all of us are grateful, that doesn't mean it's time for a change. I want him gone now, mid-season, and I would be one of the first to give some money for a statue of him. My problem is that he doesn't recruit anyone and he doesn't care about our school. He can't beat winning teams and pencils in games as losses? WHAT COACH PLANS ON LOSING A GAME?!?!?!? He's been mentally checked out since the ASU debacle. He needs to go.

After you spend a little more time around PF, you'll start to get it (hopefully)