B12 - did we make the cut? Exapnsion

[stc9]

Which Presidents are going to push for SMU? Baylor? TCU? OU? UT? Probably not. Maybe TT for Dallas Recruiting.

Assuming the Presidents are hell bent on adding teams and SMU's money offer is roughly equivalent to the other applicants, listed below is my gut call on how the schools might vote (and what the hell... Slow afternoon):


1) TCU could vote yes. This would give them another OOC games and still keep the rivalry. I also think they would have a sentimental attitude about it.
2) Baylor could vote yes. Same reason. We already play them every year and this will allow them to schedule another cupcake to put up massive stats.
3) UT not likely, but possible (All kinds of wacky things happen in Texas politics).
4) OU more possible than UT. I think that is based more on RH's relationship with the OU AD.
5) OSU probable No. Given Van Gundy's comments he doesn't want to give up his Power 5 recruiting advantage in Texas to the likes of us - he specifically mentioned Houston in his comments, but we would fall under his rationale as well.
6) Texas Tech Possible yes vote. That would guarantee them one game a year in the metroplex. This would help keep their local alumni engaged and the recruits know they were playing in front of their parents and friends every year. .
7) Iowa State could vote yes. This gives them another game in the recruiting grounds. They are far enough away where weekend trips up there are tough on parents.
WVU easy "No" vote. They want and need a travel partner. We don't provide this.
9) Kansas possible yes vote. I think that would have more to do with the value we would add to the conference in hoops, but also as of right now we have roughly equal talent in football. Fairly easy journey to Dallas for non revenue teams.
10) Kansas State: Got to be honest, I don't really have a read on them I have no clue as to what they want to do.

[RGV Pony]

Regarding OU, Boren and RGT go back a ways.

[Rebel10]

TCU wants to be the major team in the DFW area for the Big 12 and would probably vote no imo.

[AustinPerson]

Here's my analysis of how the Big 12 schools will vote on SMU:

1. TCU - No
2. Baylor - No
3. UT - No
4. Tech - No
5. OU - No
6. OSU - No
7. KU - No
8. K-State - No
9. Iowa State - No
10. WV - No

[mrydel]

Have to believe Texas calls most the shots. We have any ties other than Travis?

[Topper]

Here's my analysis of how the Big 12 schools will vote on SMU:

1. TCU - No
2. Baylor - No
3. UT - No
4. Tech - No
5. OU - No
6. OSU - No
7. KU - No
8. K-State - No
9. Iowa State - No
10. WV - No

I hope this isn't true, but it may be. Iowa State and West Virginia are the only two teams we wouldn't really compete with for recruits geographically. TCU now sees itself as the dominant team in the area. They look at us the same way we look at UNT. I don't think that UT or OU are too concerned about our recruiting strength, but then again look at what Baylor and TCU have done. UT simply doesn't like us and they will probably fight against us unless they see us as a potential W every year until the new tv contracts and conference re-alignments start anew. Their main priorities are 1) Money and 2) Keeping the conference weak enough that they have a shot at being undefeated every year.

[Pony Boss]

Here's my analysis of how the Big 12 schools will vote on SMU:

1. TCU - No
2. Baylor - No
3. UT - No
4. Tech - No
5. OU - No
6. OSU - No
7. KU - No
8. K-State - No
9. Iowa State - No
10. WV - No

Lol. That's how fans would vote. But no one cares about what the fans think.

[JasonB]

Any list that shows Rice as a finalist is just not accurate. Some people are saying we need shovels in the ground on new facilities to be considered. Um, has anyone looked at the Rice facilities lately?

The only team to this point that was pulled into a P5 conference without an established football team is Rutgers, and they are horrible in both major sports now in the Big 10. TCU was awful in basketball, they haven't magically improved by entering the Big 12.

It is in everyone's best interest to only be promoted if you have an established program, because you aren't going to have the opportunity to improve when you are 2-10 every year.

Cincy and Houston are the only schools that qualify right now. Memphis and UCF are going to have to establish themselves as real powers in order to overcome their academic issues. Temple and SMU need to consistently win to get in. I understand the talk about BYU and UConn as football only, but BYU has massive issues from an academic, social, and Sundays perspective. And UConn sucks at football and isn't going to get into the Big 12. Have a presence near NYC has no impact if the team sucks.

[SMU89]

Here's my analysis of how the Big 12 schools will vote on SMU:

1. TCU - No
2. Baylor - No
3. UT - No
4. Tech - No
5. OU - No
6. OSU - No
7. KU - No
8. K-State - No
9. Iowa State - No
10. WV - No

That's only 10

[Stallion]

Big 12 only has 10 teams

[Rebel10]

Any list that shows Rice as a finalist is just not accurate. Some people are saying we need shovels in the ground on new facilities to be considered. Um, has anyone looked at the Rice facilities lately?

The only team to this point that was pulled into a P5 conference without an established football team is Rutgers, and they are horrible in both major sports now in the Big 10. TCU was awful in basketball, they haven't magically improved by entering the Big 12.

It is in everyone's best interest to only be promoted if you have an established program, because you aren't going to have the opportunity to improve when you are 2-10 every year.

Cincy and Houston are the only schools that qualify right now. Memphis and UCF are going to have to establish themselves as real powers in order to overcome their academic issues. Temple and SMU need to consistently win to get in. I understand the talk about BYU and UConn as football only, but BYU has massive issues from an academic, social, and Sundays perspective. And UConn sucks at football and isn't going to get into the Big 12. Have a presence near NYC has no impact if the team sucks.

Rice is not on any credible list I have seen to get into the Big 12. And since SMU is already being considered then being considered is not the issue. The issue is doing what it takes to get in since we are being considered. And as Puck said to at least give a date for the beginning of facility improvements would help along with winning. But everything counts at this point. But your buddies June and Mason left us with a team that does not have much talent. Coach Morris has said on a video interview that the previous staff did not do a good job in recruiting, And over the past 2 years bad recruiting has shown a and left Coach Morris and SMU in a bad situation. But imo we have to be assertive in facility improvements, winning, and marketing etc tp get in the Big 12. SMU does not heed to dismiss any area as they try to get in the Big 12.

[Pony81]

Everybody knows we offer nothing to the Big 12 in the terms of TV market.
So if the decision is based on other factors like:
Travel cost: SMU offers a low cost travel,option for all schools but WV.
Recruiting pull: we don't pull recruits away from UT or OU. But we would pull recruits away from the other schools - especially TCU and BU.
Academic prestige: Clearly the best of the potential applicants.

So I see TCU and BU voting no. TCU especially loves being the big dog over SMU. BU the same to a lesser degree. TTU probably votes no because of recruiting competition. Other than that you can see yes votes

But we are a major long shot. Only get in if they add 4 schools.

Maybe UT and OU push to add 4 schools so the conference will survive - thus limiting the political fallout - when they leave and leave OSU and TTU behind.

[Rebel10]

Everybody knows we offer nothing to the Big 12 in the terms of TV market.
So if the decision is based on other factors like:
Travel cost: SMU offers a low cost travel,option for all schools but WV.
Recruiting pull: we don't pull recruits away from UT or OU. But we would pull recruits away from the other schools - especially TCU and BU.
Academic prestige: Clearly the best of the potential applicants.

So I see TCU and BU voting no. TCU especially loves being the big dog over SMU. BU the same to a lesser degree. TTU probably votes no because of recruiting competition. Other than that you can see yes votes

But we are a major long shot. Only get in if they add 4 schools.

Maybe UT and OU push to add 4 schools so the conference will survive - thus limiting the political fallout - when they leave and leave OSU and TTU behind.

TCU definitely likes being the big dog over SMU in the DFW area and would vote no. I also think this staff can pull recruits form mid to lower level P5 teams where the precious staff could not thereby leaving us in the mess that Coach Morris is trying to dig SMU out of cureently. If it is a simple majority vote that is needed SMU would have a better chance for sure.

[JasonB]

Cross your fingers, hope for two. Win and you are in - if SMU puts together 4 10 win seasons, attendance will rise significantly, donations will rise, facilities won't be a problem, and we will be a lock for the Big 12 or PAC 10.

Until we win, we will always be on the outside looking in.

[Rebel10]

Cross your fingers, hope for two. Win and you are in - if SMU puts together 4 10 win seasons, attendance will rise significantly, donations will rise, facilities won't be a problem, and we will be a lock for the Big 12 or PAC 10.

Until we win, we will always be on the outside looking in.

Tough to win 10 games with the lack of talent June and Mason left SMU with. And other than maybe Houston no team on the list has 4 10 win seasons and they are selecting more than just Houston. And I don't think we will have 4 seasons before the Big 12 makes their decision. You have to have better players before you win that many games. Just have to keep recruiting like USF did to turn their program around and facilities help recruiting. One of HCCM's recruiting pitches is near future facility improvements in order to get better players in order to win more games. I think the selection committee is also looking at the schools that show (and not just talk about) commitment and that means facilities etc.