Big 12 makes deal

[SoCal_Pony]

I don't see Colorado being a cheerleader for CSU. Sort of like UVa didn't want VT in the ACC until the politicians forced it on them.

Right CU wants CSU in the same conference the same way TCU wants us.

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CSU has a much lower academic ranking & endowment, plus Boulder is considered a cool college town.

I suspect Colorado considers CSU more of a nuisance than a threat.

That’s a huge difference vs SMU & TCU

We are the better school.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

Gonzaga to the Pac12 makes much more sense, which is probably why it won't happen.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

I don't see Colorado being a cheerleader for CSU. Sort of like UVa didn't want VT in the ACC until the politicians forced it on them.

Right CU wants CSU in the same conference the same way TCU wants us.

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CSU has a much lower academic ranking & endowment, plus Boulder is considered a cool college town.

I suspect Colorado considers CSU more of a nuisance than a threat.

That’s a huge difference vs SMU & TCU

We are the better school.

SMU is a much better school than TCU, despite of our President not focusing on either our academics or athletics. But who knows what may happen to our future. I think RGT will stay on at SMU here until his last breath.

[smubrooks]

If we don’t get into a P5 in the next 1-2yrs it’s over. We’re permanently left out.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

I think RGT will stay on at SMU here until his last breath.

I agree!

R. Gerald Turner
Will turn 77 years old later this month.
Assumed office
June 5, 1995

[NavyCrimson]

Just shows you how weak the board is if he does.

Curious. Makes you think the board members are paid by Turner.

[deucetz]

Just shows you how weak the board is if he does.

Curious. Makes you think the board members are paid by Turner.

The board is too big, it should be cut by at least half to get things done.

[SoCal_Pony]

I think RGT will stay on at SMU here until his last breath.

I agree!

R. Gerald Turner
Will turn 77 years old later this month.
Assumed office
June 5, 1995

27 years and counting

During that time, not playing with the Big Boys, but instead residing in the WAC, CUSA & AAC…..

Yet never once been favored to win a Conference Championship and only once truly competing for one and that was when we played UCF for the CUSA Title which was kinda a fluke year for us as we ended the season 7-7

Go back and look at our conference mates. The bottom tier schools were truly weak. Only a handful had comparable recruiting hubs (Rice/Coogs come to mind), fewer have our BMDs. We should have been perennial contenders, instead we’ve NEVER entered the season as a serious contender.

27 years of this!!!!

During my 4 years at SMU, we were ALWAYS serious contenders, including 2 SWC FB Championships.

Thank you RGT

[gostangs]

The problem with RGT is that he’s a failure at everything that matters

Academic ranking - Down
Endowment - Down
Football Championships - Zero
NCAA BB Tourney wins - Zero

Only bright moment in sports??? LB in BB, which through his own incompetency not only does he destroy, he also manages to get SMU a MUCH harsher penalty than UNC received for 20 yrs of more serious violations

And as CP said, RGT had zero foresight into the changing dynamics of College FB & TV revenues

The Stallion Model, which i fully endorsed for decades, was only implemented during the June Jones era. Even today, RGT has done nothing meaningful to promote SMU FB a la Mustang Mania.

I’ll end it on these 3 thoughts.

As I’ve stated over a decade ago…when i first found an SMU sports board…this was pre-PonyFans day and i think the site was called Mustang Maniacs…i was so happy as i thought i would find a community of hundreds of angry Stallions…to my surprise, Stallion the poster was actually in a minority with his views.

Secondly, i think Forrest Gregg was a coward and someone who did a great disservice to SMU athletics. Sure, we cheated under Meyers, Collins and countless others….but if Forrest gave his word that SMU wouldn’t cheat, his integrity was such that we WOULDN’T. Yet he went along with the charade and fielded teams that could never ever be competitive. He should have been a voice for change and reason, instead he was more of a water boy. Somehow, perversely, Miracle on Mockingbird became folklore. My goodness, as a STUDENT during the Pony Express days i witnessed 30 games more meaningful than Miracle.

Finally, call me highly skeptical about Frog ‘inside information’ shared on this site. If he’s saying it here, he’s saying it in other places as well. Given today’s social media, if his ‘info’ was legit, if it had any legs, we would have heard about it from other sources. I follow Twitter, including the ‘4 corner’ sites + PAC sites. Not hearing anything meaningful at any of these places. My own opinion???….too many fans on sports sites kinda idiotically think decisions are based on how their FB teams are performing. Problem with that thinking is at the end of the day, final decisions are made by academic Presidents of universities with IQs of 130 and not FB coaches with IQs of 100. Education, Research, who you are associated with academically carriers more weight than 60,000 screaming fans at Stillwater 6 times a year. With our location and NIL, i haven’t given up hope.

How do you have the endowment down? we are just under 2 Billion - way higher than when Turner got here. I think there has not been enough emphasis on building it vs buildings personally - but fact is it is way up. I think you are correct on the main thesis - which is that early on we were so gun shy about athletics (since all the trustees were basically the same as the scandal years and they would rather be dead than have another issue) we couldn't and didnt get aggressive until lately - and that has proven so far to be too late.

Hoping for the PAC hail mary...

[SoCal_Pony]

The problem with RGT is that he’s a failure at everything that matters

Academic ranking - Down
Endowment - Down
Football Championships - Zero
NCAA BB Tourney wins - Zero

How do you have the endowment down? we are just under 2 Billion - way higher than when Turner got here. I think there has not been enough emphasis on building it vs buildings personally - but fact is it is way up. I think you are correct on the main thesis - which is that early on we were so gun shy about athletics (since all the trustees were basically the same as the scandal years and they would rather be dead than have another issue) we couldn't and didnt get aggressive until lately - and that has proven so far to be too late.

Hoping for the PAC hail mary...

Are you kidding me, gostangs???????

You’re one of the more reliable posters here.

When RGT took office, SMU’s endowment was ranked #40 with ~$500k

If you know anything about the Time Value of Money, we should have seen a bump in Endowment 27 years ago as there was new optimism after the Dark Ages of Pye. That bump would be more meaningful so long ago vs recently. I don’t know if we ever truly got that bump or not, i never investigated it. What i do know is that today, UCLA has the 40th highest endowment at $4B

And if my math is correct….$4B is a long ways away from $2B

And for the tired old ‘we used the monies for building upgrades’ argument, I’m not buying it. ALL top schools do upgrades, MOST do more as they have MORE students and therefore MORE facilities. Regardless, we haven’t done even $1B worth of building upgrades.

So yes, i say under RGT, endowment is down.

But I am glad you posted. Didn’t you come on this site ~ a month ago and claim our endowment was greater than TCU’s which i think FF said was around $2.5B. You said ours was higher, now you say ours is UNDER $2B….what gives?????

[FroggieFever]

SMU is a much better school than TCU

This type of thinking will only hurt SMU.

TCU has taken the underdog approach, academically and athletically. Nearly every building on campus is new. As are the athletic facilities. TCU continues to rise in USN&WR rankings (now millimeters from SMU). Hiring world-class professors. New med school. We just had a record raise which will push the endowment north of $3B. There is a reason there is a lot of Dallas money at TCU (a la Hunt, Perot, et al.): Heads down and focused.

SMU (a school I love) needs to take the same attitude. Fall on the sword on areas we (yes, we...also a steward of SMU) suck at, and invest in improving them. Taking a "holier than thou" approach will end up futile.

[mtrout]

SMU should be renamed to ZAU (Zero Accountability University).

[Mustangs_Maroons]

SMU is a much better school than TCU

This type of thinking will only hurt SMU.

TCU has taken the underdog approach, academically and athletically. Nearly every building on campus is new. As are the athletic facilities. TCU continues to rise in USN&WR rankings (now millimeters from SMU). Hiring world-class professors. New med school. We just had a record raise which will push the endowment north of $3B. There is a reason there is a lot of Dallas money at TCU (a la Hunt, Perot, et al.): Heads down and focused.

SMU (a school I love) needs to take the same attitude. Fall on the sword on areas we (yes, we...also a steward of SMU) suck at, and invest in improving them. Taking a "holier than thou" approach will end up futile.

SMU IS the better school, better reputation, better academic quality if programs. It’s nos really close, but I get it you’re a tcu alumn. You don’t have to accept it. My point, however, was (if you had understood the message with where who knows what happens to our future) that while SMU is the better academic school NOW, we can’t continue to rest on our laurels. Don’t confuse the poor administration with the clear perception that SMU is a better academic school than TCU, similar to how Rice is a better academic school than SMU.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

SMU is a much better school than TCU

This type of thinking will only hurt SMU.

TCU has taken the underdog approach, academically and athletically. Nearly every building on campus is new. As are the athletic facilities. TCU continues to rise in USN&WR rankings (now millimeters from SMU). Hiring world-class professors. New med school. We just had a record raise which will push the endowment north of $3B. There is a reason there is a lot of Dallas money at TCU (a la Hunt, Perot, et al.): Heads down and focused.

SMU (a school I love) needs to take the same attitude. Fall on the sword on areas we (yes, we...also a steward of SMU) suck at, and invest in improving them. Taking a "holier than thou" approach will end up futile.

SMU IS the better school, better reputation, better academic quality across most programs. It’s not really close, but I get it you’re a tcu alumn. You don’t have to accept it. My point, however, was (if you had understood the message with where who knows what happens to our future) that while SMU is the better academic school NOW, we can’t continue to rest on our laurels. Don’t confuse the poor administration with the clear perception that SMU is a better academic school than TCU, similar to how Rice is a better academic school than SMU.

[FroggieFever]

SMU IS the better school, better reputation, better academic quality if programs. It’s nos really close, but I get it you’re a tcu alumn.

a) I am alumn of both; and
b) This thinking is insane. It is "that" close. I do not know how to describe it to you outside of crayons. TCU and SMU are millimeters in rankings. Your own Dean of Admissions mentions this. He says TCU, not Rice, is SMU's largest competitive threat academically over the next 3yrs and the University should place resources to protect the position.