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Postby PhirePhilBennett » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:33 pm

jtstang wrote:
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Stallion wrote:you are just talking semantics-he was ASSISTANT HEAD COACH. You left about 8 years off his resume. To say Turner Gill is not qualified to be a Division 1A Coach is a poor reflection on YOU.

No, Stallion, haven't you heard? Gill's just the only black man on campus, filling the quota so the school can get federal funding!!


Please list all the Div-1A coaches that jumped from QB or WR coach to HC

No thanks. Why don't you, it would help your racist "Gill is a token" argument, which I am not inclined to do.


Then clearly I win. You won't defend him. You must know it to be true.
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Postby jtstang » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:34 pm

No, you don't. You made the racist accusation that he was a token, now you are not willing to defend your position with facts. You lose.
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Postby PhirePhilBennett » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:40 pm

jtstang wrote:No, you don't. You made the racist accusation that he was a token, now you are not willing to defend your position with facts. You lose.


What more do you want? I have shown you that his only accomplishment was as a WR or QB coach...never even a coordinator.

I don't think this has EVER been done before (to jump to a HC job).
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Postby jtstang » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:44 pm

PhirePhilBennett wrote:
jtstang wrote:No, you don't. You made the racist accusation that he was a token, now you are not willing to defend your position with facts. You lose.


What more do you want? I have shown you that his only accomplishment was as a WR or QB coach...never even a coordinator.

I don't think this has EVER been done before (to jump to a HC job).

So you deduce from this it was solely because he was black?

I'm starting to think the only reason you wnatt AppleWHITE over Gill is his race.
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Postby ponyinNC » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:48 pm

PhirePhilBennett wrote:
jtstang wrote:
PhirePhilBennett wrote:
jtstang wrote:
Stallion wrote:you are just talking semantics-he was ASSISTANT HEAD COACH. You left about 8 years off his resume. To say Turner Gill is not qualified to be a Division 1A Coach is a poor reflection on YOU.

No, Stallion, haven't you heard? Gill's just the only black man on campus, filling the quota so the school can get federal funding!!


Please list all the Div-1A coaches that jumped from QB or WR coach to HC

No thanks. Why don't you, it would help your racist "Gill is a token" argument, which I am not inclined to do.


Then clearly I win. You won't defend him. You must know it to be true.



Read the turner gill link

Gill, who was part of three national championships as a coach at the University of Nebraska and a Heisman Trophy finalist as a player, agreed to a five-year contract to become the 23rd head football coach at the University at Buffalo on December 16, 2005.

Gill, 44, who spent the 2005 season serving as Player Development Director and Offensive Assistant with the Green Bay Packers, was lauded as one of the nation's top recruiters while an assistant coach at Nebraska from 1992-2004. The Cornhuskers won national titles in 1994, 1995 and 1997 during that span.

Gill, who was selected following a national search, brings with him tremendous success as both a player and coach. Consider how few head coaches in America can claim to have:

As a player, to have never lost a conference game as a starter; to have led his team to the national championship game and to have been a finalist for the Heisman Trophy (won by his teammate).
As a coach, to be on the sidelines for three national championships and to have coached an individual who won the Heisman Trophy.
"I am extremely excited to be able to bring a person of Turner's caliber - not only as a coach but as a person - to the University at Buffalo," said Warde Manuel, UB's Director of Athletics. "He is a man of great integrity, he has a tremendous football pedigree, and is a proven winner. Turner has all the tools necessary to bring great pride to our football program in the future, and I can't wait to get started with what I think will be a very exciting chapter in Bulls' football history."

UB President John B. Simpson said that "from my conversations with Turner Gill, and from what I know of his impressive experience and proven leadership, it's clear to me that he is an individual who understands at a deep level what excellence is -- and understands what it will take to achieve it, both on and off the field."

Simpson said the fact that Gill will head up the university's football program "is great news for UB, marking not just an important step forward in our continuing work to build a strong, competitive athletic program, but also a key outcome of our university-wide commitment to institutional excellence."

During his tenure at Nebraska, Gill served as an assistant coach for College Football Hall of Famer Tom Osborne, current Ohio University head coach Frank Solich and current Nebraska mentor Bill Callahan. He tutored the Huskers' quarterbacks from 1992-2002, was named assistant head football coach in 2003, and served as wide receivers coach in 2004.
"I am honored and privileged to be a part of a great team with President John Simpson and Warde Manuel," said Gill. "They are tremendous people and I know the University at Buffalo has great leadership with them in place. I sincerely thank both of them for giving me this opportunity.

"When I talked to people about Warde, they had nothing but high regard for him as a person and as an athletic director," said Gill. "He has created an excitement on campus and in the community. I want to be a part of this special time at this institution. Warde has that drive and determination that brings out excellence in other people. Our football staff will help him to deliver that excitement to Western New York, the rest of New York State, and hopefully, the rest of the country."

In speaking about his expectations for his team, Gill said: "We are going to be a team where each person believes in himself, his teammates, his coaches, and the people of this institution. We will be a family that will dedicate ourselves to excellence, balance, and growth. It is one of our main goals to make sure that these young men truly enjoy the college football experience.

"It is our intention to build a team that will be physical and attacking on both sides of the ball, as well as on special teams. Not only will the experience be great for the players, but we will entertain the students and the fans as well," said Gill.

During the height of Nebraska football in the 1990s, with Gill serving as quarterbacks coach, the Cornhuskers had unprecedented success at both the quarterback position and as a team. Gill - rated one of the top ten recruiters in the nation in 2000 and 2001 by ESPN.com - played a vital role in Nebraska's three national titles, and mentored a string of record-breaking quarterbacks, from Tommie Frazier to Jamaal Lord to 2001 Heisman Trophy winner Eric Crouch.

Crouch, Frazier and Lord rank as the top three total career offense leaders in Nebraska history (while Gill, himself, ranks eighth). Crouch won the Heisman Trophy, Walter Camp Award (top player in the nation) and the Davey O'Brien Award (nation's top quarterback) as well as being a first-team All-American in 2001 under Gill's tutelage.

Frazier was also a first-team All-American, Johnny Unitas Award winner and Heisman Trophy finalist in 1995, and led Nebraska to back-to-back national championships (1994-95). Both Fraizer and Crouch were tabbed as Big 12 Offensive Players of the Year. Gill also mentored a pair of Big 12 Conference Offensive Newcomers of the Year in Frazier and Scott Frost (1996). Frost would lead Nebraska to another national title in 1997.

In 2002, he was nominated and among the finalists for the Frank Broyles Award, given annually to the top assistant coach in the nation. He was regarded by several sources as one of the top recruiters in the nation.

"Turner is an outstanding human being," said former Nebraska head coach Tom Osborne, a member of the College Football Hall of Famer and one of the winningest coaches in college football history. "He has great character. He's a great family man, an excellent recruiter, he relates well to his players and he really works well with people. He'll always represent the program well. He is very knowledege as far as football goes. I have nothing but the greatest admiration for him."

Before accepting the job at Buffalo, Gill served as the direct liaison to players and their families as the Player Development Director. He also served as an offensive assistant, with a focus on wide receivers. He began his coaching career at Southern Methodist University as receivers coach in 1991.

Gill's outstanding coaching career mirrors a memorable playing career that culminated with him being named a finalist for the Heisman Trophy in 1983 (finishing fourth behind teammate Mike Rozier) and earning a berth on the All-Decade Big Eight team (1980-89) as the starting quarterback.

Gill, a native of Fort Worth, TX, was the starting quarterback at Nebraska from 1981-83 and led the team to a No. 2 and No. 3 national ranking. Overall, Nebraska teams had a 28-2 overall record with Gill as the starting quarterback and a 20-0 record in Big Eight conference play. He is the 12th winningest QB in NCAA Div. I history.

He spent two seasons as quarterback of the Montreal Concordes of the Canadian Football League, leading his team to playoff berths in 1984 and 1985.

One of the most respected student-athletes in Nebraska athletics history, Gill earned the Tom Novak Award for Outstanding Leaadership and Character as well as the Herbert Marshall Award for leadership. He has been inducted into the Nebraska Football Hall of Fame, was a three-time All Big Eight selection, and was the MVP of the Orange Bowl and Kickoff Classic. A multi-talented athlete, Gill also spent three seasons in the minor league systems of the Detroit Tigers and Cleveland Indians.

He received his bachelor's degree in Behavior Analysis from the University of North Texas in 1990.

Gill has also served as a Spokesperson for the United Way and as honorary chairman for Cystic Fibrosis, the American Heart Association and the American Diabetes Association. He is a also a board member of the Lincoln (NE) Children's Musuem.

He and his wife Gayle have two daughters, Jordan (16) and Margaux (12).
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Postby Buckethead » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:52 pm

If we can win and get to a bowl game, I don't care if he wears pink and acts like Ross the intern on the Jay Leno show. If you did not see the UT/OU piece it was a classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-9M5xusVs

Ok how do I make this a link?
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Postby bigdaddy08091 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:54 pm

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bigdaddy08091 wrote:1. Mike Leach. They hate him at TT. He may be gone after this season.
2. Michael Haywood. One of Orsinis boys!
3. Bob Davie. Orsini also knows him.


I'd give you Davie...ND Connection. BAd choice for SMU since we need an OC with a gimmick.


No gimmicks please. Gimmicks lead to trickery and that leads to violations. Coaches with gimmicks have more up their sleve than just gimmicks.
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Postby SC Pony » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:55 pm

Ponyx2 lobs in this brilliant post and all you two can do is agrue:

This just in! Heard from Copeland. His choices:

1) Larry
2) Curly
3) Moe
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Postby Buckethead » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:57 pm

I now see that NBC removed the video due to copy right laws. Hope you saw before it went away. Sorry
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Postby mrydel » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:57 pm

Phirephil says Applewhite is intriquing because he is so young yet who would hand their program over to a "bunch of 28 year olds" in the case of Gill. You lost all credibility right there.
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Postby BrianTinBigD » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:03 pm

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jtstang wrote:Again, what great sense. Let's limit our coaching search to candidates that the Morning News can write exclusively positive stories about.


No, but recall that in 1986 SMU received the DEATH PENALTY for football recruiting violations.

Oh, I get it now. IF you were captured by Al-Queda, you would give them bullets to their AK-47...


The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!
Big Freakin' Deal about the Death Penalty. That was over 20 years ago. Let it go.

When Kentucky basketball got it they pretty much went about business as usual and stayed relevant all these years and never got the death penalty again. They may have came close but nobody will ever get it again. However, if we are paying our players after every game and thumbing our nose at the NCAA about it, we might get the death penalty. If our head coach has players that take recruits to strip clubs and ply them with liquor and they commit to the school and make us better, there is really nothing wrong with that as long as the coach is not aware of it. Also, if we keep stupid girl kickers off the team we should be safe. Also, if the coach gets busted for being in a NCAA Bball pool then we can only hope that the NCAA pays him more than they did last time.
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Postby D1Football » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:08 pm

Bill Cowher

Can't think of a better scenario from a Super Bowl Championship to a Conference USA Chamionship. He'll go down as the coach who accomplished all!
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Postby mustangxc » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:09 pm

George S. Patton wrote:
ThadFilms wrote:1. Scarlett Johansson
2. Gary Barnett
3. AppleBowden

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4. Franocchio
5. Ocho Cinco


1. Angie Harmon
2. Jane Skinner
3. Erin Andrews


I think you're onto something with Angie Harmon! She would definitely be able to recruit and her husband knows a little something about football!
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Postby mustangxc » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:11 pm

PhirePhilBennett wrote:
jtstang wrote:
Stallion wrote:you are just talking semantics-he was ASSISTANT HEAD COACH. You left about 8 years off his resume. To say Turner Gill is not qualified to be a Division 1A Coach is a poor reflection on YOU.

No, Stallion, haven't you heard? Gill's just the only black man on campus, filling the quota so the school can get federal funding!!


Please list all the Div-1A coaches that jumped from QB or WR coach to HC.

If you find one, I will retract all of my statements.

If you cannot find one, then you have inquire into this 'issue'


The coach whose team beat us on Sunday, Art Briles!
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Postby SMU89 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:14 pm

Paul Johnson
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