Cool Offense June!!!

[Donnell88]

I agree, Shadowman, that Coach Bennett did beat TCU, their only loss of the year.
But remember how Texas A&M beat us 56-10 the following weekend?

[CacheMoneyMustang]

Good post, you are right, I may have undersold his recruiting abilities, but when you get those players, you have to be productive.

I'm not a football expert, but doesn't it usually take redshirting/experience to really get guys to reach their potential? If that's the case, JJ really hasn't had an opportunity yet, I would think next season would be a better gauge of JJ's productivity.

I very well could be wrong, most likely possible, but I just don't think that $2 million a year for one or two more wins is worth it, when there are more younger and energetic guys out there.

Personally, I think back to back bowl games is way better than the years of being one or two games short of bowl eligibility. I also think SMU was at a point where we really needed a proven commodity, and not really an up-and-comer. Wasn't Bennet a younger energetic guy? Concerning the money we pay JJ, SMU had run this program so far down that they needed to show that they were willing to help, not hamstring, the coach. Unfortunately, that meant we had to shell out the big bucks. In my mind the money wasn't just what we thought JJ brought to the table, but also to show that SMU was ready to get serious about its football program.

Could be wrong, probably am. But some of you guys have Hawaii Bowl Glasses on, you (like we all did) enjoyed kicking [deleted] against one of the worst secondaries in NCAA history and stopping a team with their two top rushers ( the major part of their offense) either hurt or suspended.

The stars were definitely in alignment for us to kick some royal arse, but they've been aligned out of our favor (the epitome of this being one game I remember where the opponents had 21 points on the board before their offense even took the field) for so long that watching that game created such a rush that we're still in the afterglow, even one year later. ...I don't think anyone here is really full out worshiping JJ thinking he's the best coach out there, I feel like it's more he has done a fantastic job of turning this program around and was a great fit because of his experience in turning horrible programs around. And SMU had a horrible, horrible program. Now we're division champions going to our second straight bowl game.

I want a younger guy with fresh ideas to lead us.

This will happen eventually I'm sure, but if you'd like to hurry this up I'd recommend donating more money (like that guy who controls Okie State) or try replacing the current AD.

[Big Hoss]

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Shadowman, offer new opinions, or shut up.

[shadowman]

I agree, Shadowman, that Coach Bennett did beat TCU, their only loss of the year.
But remember how Texas A&M beat us 56-10 the following weekend?

Just like a cruddy UTEP team beat us following a nice win against Tulane.

Does anyone see the point here? I am saying june eeked out one more win a couple of years in a row and we are acting like he is a Messiah worth $2mill a year. Bennett gave TCU their only losss in a 10-1 season. Rossely tied a top 10 A&M team. June took us to the Hawaii bowl after going 7-5 in the regular season.

Not much difference in my book. I will take a tie against a Top 10 A&M or giving TCU their only loss of the year any day.

June is good, but not God, like so many think.

[shadowman]

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Shadowman, offer new opinions, or shut up.

Wow, 2100 posts in just 3+ years, you must be really smart. I am offering my opinion and I think I can keep saying them and defending as long as I like.

[mustang1108]

He is only considered a messiah because he is the one to finally get us to a bowl game. I don't care who did it, whatever coach to take us to a bowl would be that for us after 25 years of frustration none of the other coaches could do it. and it seems to me your acting more satisfied in having a big win against a big name team than going to a bowl. sorry i enjoy playing games late in december.

[shadowman]

He is only considered a messiah because he is the one to finally get us to a bowl game. I don't care who did it, whatever coach to take us to a bowl would be that for us after 25 years of frustration none of the other coaches could do it. and it seems to me your acting more satisfied in having a big win against a big name team than going to a bowl. sorry i enjoy playing games late in december.

Good Point, but Bennett got us to 6-6, most years that should have been good enough.

YES, June was a breath of fresh air, but I am just pointing out that he has not done much better than the coaches before him...Certainly not $2mill a year better. June very well could have been the right coach at the right time for us...BUt, we are never going to the next level with him. Be happy with 7 wins a year if you want.

We could and should do better.

[goldenstang]

I will take June's first 3 years over PB's first 3 all day.

[shadowman]

I will take June's first 3 years over PB's first 3 all day.

So you are happy with 1-11, 7-5, 7-5? I am not...maybe I have higher expectations than you. I just feel that if we were going to spend $2 Million a year, we could have done better.

[goldenstang]

I will take June's first 3 years over PB's first 3 all day.

So you are happy with 1-11, 7-5, 7-5? I am not...maybe I have higher expectations than you. I just feel that if we were going to spend $2 Million a year, we could have done better.

1-11, 7-5, and 7-5 is better then 3-9, 0-12, and 3-8. I dont really think this can be argued. It has been 3 years. We have been terrible for 2 decades to expect an undefeated or 11-1 season is too high of expectations. Now in a few years we should be able to expect that but not yet. We have 4 starting seniors, we are a young team, the future is bright.

[shadowman]

I will take June's first 3 years over PB's first 3 all day.

So you are happy with 1-11, 7-5, 7-5? I am not...maybe I have higher expectations than you. I just feel that if we were going to spend $2 Million a year, we could have done better.

1-11, 7-5, and 7-5 is better then 3-9, 0-12, and 3-8. I dont really think this can be argued. It has been 3 years. We have been terrible for 2 decades to expect an undefeated or 11-1 season is too high of expectations. Now in a few years we should be able to expect that but not yet. We have 4 starting seniors, we are a young team, the future is bright.

Maybe you are right...Maybe great times are ahead. I just don't think so, I hope I am wrong and you are right...Believe me, I love SMU aas much as the next guy. But to me though, it looks like same song, second verse, with one more win to trick people.

[rich59]

Methinks something is going on here besides a careful appraisal of the football being played. Perhaps it has something to do with envy. No one likes to be identified with a losing program and someone who comes along and threatens to turn the tables is going to have some problems winning over some Doubting Thomases. Having said that. I don't think that many on this forum really believe that the present coaching staff is totally above reproach. Conditions at SMU have improved and the new staff certainly appears to be more effective that some in the recent past. Maybe not Forrest Gregg but certainly PB.

[CacheMoneyMustang]

Does anyone see the point here? I am saying june eeked out one more win a couple of years in a row and we are acting like he is a Messiah worth $2mill a year. Bennett gave TCU their only losss in a 10-1 season. Rossely tied a top 10 A&M team. June took us to the Hawaii bowl after going 7-5 in the regular season.

Not much difference in my book. I will take a tie against a Top 10 A&M or giving TCU their only loss of the year any day.

June is good, but not God, like so many think.

In my book going to a bowl is way better then one win. Two Bowl games in a row is way better. I'd rather have a consistently winning program than be some team's trap game like the TCU win.

Again, I don't think people believe June is God, just that he's the best thing to happen to SMU in recent memory because he's responsible for us going to two consecutive bowls, more than we have in a couple decades. And in my book that is the best thing to happen to SMU in recent memory.

As for the money, again we had to pay a premium to show that we were serious about football.

[RunningStang]

I agree, Shadowman, that Coach Bennett did beat TCU, their only loss of the year.
But remember how Texas A&M beat us 56-10 the following weekend?

Just like a cruddy UTEP team beat us following a nice win against Tulane.

Does anyone see the point here? I am saying june eeked out one more win a couple of years in a row and we are acting like he is a Messiah worth $2mill a year. Bennett gave TCU their only losss in a 10-1 season. Rossely tied a top 10 A&M team. June took us to the Hawaii bowl after going 7-5 in the regular season.

Not much difference in my book. I will take a tie against a Top 10 A&M or giving TCU their only loss of the year any day.

June is good, but not God, like so many think.

I see your point, but you make a terrible argument. You are claiming that we are overpaying June for only one more win a year better than Cavan or Bennett. Last year, with a mainly freshman team, June brought us 8 wins. Last time I checked, that is two wins better than Cavan or Bennett ever did and both of those coaches won 6 with mainly senior squads. Let's check back and see what SMU's record is when Padron is a senior.

[mrydel]

What Jones did was bring the gravitas necessary to get the BOT and the administration off their collective butts and change the restrictive policies that hampered us in getting quality, competitive athletes. An up and comer could not have come in and forced the changes to be made that were necessary. Now Jones has the task of playing catch up with recruits not only in talent but also depth. That takes time and personally I believe he is ahead of schedule. And when he does leave, and it will be on his terms, we will not have to make the multimillion dollar hire that we did with him unless we wish to, not because we had to.