The Sound of Silence

[StallionsModelT]

What RGT relies on are the battered wife syndrome SMU fans that are thrilled to be 6-6. Yeah 6-6 is better than 3-9. You can't argue with them on that. Why wouldn't you just be happy to get to 6 wins?! I mean you get to go to a bowl game! Isn't that enough? Its like you guys expect to consistently win 8 plus games a season! By God we got the death penalty when Reagan was still in office! We need more time!

[ponyboy]

Sounds great and all, but I defy you to find ANYONE who thinks that way.

[redpony]

ponyboy- if you are questioning who stallionsmodelT's comments might apply to then look no further than rgt. he has stated on more than one occasion that he thinks 6-6 is a wonderful record.
It is apparent and has been apparent for some time that he has no real interest in a top level fball program. don't believe those at SMU then why not try and get a few opinions from ol' miss.about his 'love' for college fball.

[PK]

What surprises me is that the C of C cared enough to pledge a large amount of money to acquire a new coach, but now appear to be AWOL. I have to assume they expected great things as a result of the hire. How they could care that much, but then not enough to follow what is going on and understand the long term detrimental effects of the results we are currently getting is beyond me. Are they just a committee of Jerry Jones types. I certainly wouldn't think so, but then......

[Mustangsabu]

It could also be that the COC doesn't want to fund a new coach. They certainly wouldn't want to pay JJ for another year while another coach did the job.

But far more likely is the possibility that the COC are a lot more rational and in touch with the program than PF...

[Bergermeister]

Are they just a committee of Jerry Jones types?

Some of them are for sure. Some have rarely set foot in the stadium.

[PK]

It could also be that the COC doesn't want to fund a new coach. They certainly wouldn't want to pay JJ for another year while another coach did the job.

But far more likely is the possibility that the COC are a lot more rational and in touch with the program than PF...

In touch with the program? If your in touch with the program, the direction (down) should be obvious. The recruiting results scream "look out below!"

[ponyinNC]

It could also be that the COC doesn't want to fund a new coach. They certainly wouldn't want to pay JJ for another year while another coach did the job.

But far more likely is the possibility that the COC are a lot more rational and in touch with the program than PF...

Now we are just speculating....unless you are secretly a CofC member, in which case, can I have $2M? I can go out to Flower Mound and get a kid with no other offers to sign with SMU!

If your 1st point is true, that is completely understandable and we just have to wait a year for a change. I'd argue that is short-sighted, but it ain't my money.

If your 2nd point is true, then someone needs to inform us PF members what the issues are, so that we can examine and address and hopefully get changes made. The amount of secrecy with which this program and its boosters operate borders on an insult to alums and fans alike. When you say "in touch" with the program, I assume that is what you meant - that there are "restrictions" or other issues holding us back from being a better program. Again, if that is the case, why keep it a secret??

Thanks.

[redpony]

What surprises me is that the C of C cared enough to pledge a large amount of money to acquire a new coach, but now appear to be AWOL. I have to assume they expected great things as a result of the hire. How they could care that much, but then not enough to follow what is going on and understand the long term detrimental effects of the results we are currently getting is beyond me. Are they just a committee of Jerry Jones types. I certainly wouldn't think so, but then......

PK- a couple of ideas come to mind:
1) jj has them sold that none of this is his problem. It is a problem with the school, academics etc. etc
Much the same as DOH was with the bball program. He kept convincing the right people that 'tomorrow' everything will be better.

2) the CofC paid out a lot of money with the expectations that a new coach etc. would help fill the stadium and ease some of the financial burden in the athletic dept. Although attendance/season ticket sales went up in the first few years they have not met expectations and the CofC is reluctant to throw more money at the problem.

3) the CofC is ambivalent about doing something because rgt has not pushed them to help make a change.

[dcpony]

PK- a couple of ideas come to mind:
1) jj has them sold that none of this is his problem. It is a problem with the school, academics etc. etc
Much the same as DOH was with the bball program. He kept convincing the right people that 'tomorrow' everything will be better.

2) the CofC paid out a lot of money with the expectations that a new coach etc. would help fill the stadium and ease some of the financial burden in the athletic dept. Although attendance/season ticket sales went up in the first few years they have not met expectations and the CofC is reluctant to throw more money at the problem.

3) the CofC is ambivalent about doing something because rgt has not pushed them to help make a change.

SMU is a fine school but its academics aren't anything like Stanford, USC, Duke, Vandy, Wake, BC, ND, Northwestern, Tulane and Rice, Service Academies et. al. The academics at SMU are closer to Miami, TCU, Baylor and Tulsa. If JJ can't get in players those schools can get in then there's still a problem.

[redpony]

dcp- my point was not that there continue to be problems getting recruits admitted. It was that jj just uses that as an excuse. Just like the IPF. Yes, I want an IPF but that is not why we lose games to schools like tulane and rice. It is not the reason HS coaches don't help us with their players.

[dcpony]

dcp- my point was not that there continue to be problems getting recruits admitted. It was that jj just uses that as an excuse. Just like the IPF. Yes, I want an IPF but that is not why we lose games to schools like tulane and rice. It is not the reason HS coaches don't help us with their players.

Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know about the type of academic support infrastructure SMU provides for players to stay eligible and graduate. I'm assuming SMU has that in place?

[Digetydog]

dcp- my point was not that there continue to be problems getting recruits admitted. It was that jj just uses that as an excuse. Just like the IPF. Yes, I want an IPF but that is not why we lose games to schools like tulane and rice. It is not the reason HS coaches don't help us with their players.

Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know about the type of academic support infrastructure SMU provides for players to stay eligible and graduate. I'm assuming SMU has that in place?

At the 2012 NYC Mustang Club meeting, Jones claimed that we lacked the academic resources that Rice offers. Hart as at the meeting and did not correct him.

Nevertheless, it shouldn't be a big excuse. There is no law that says 2 star players are better students than 4 star players.

A Simple Plan:
1) Focus our attention on 3-4-5 star players with decent grades. If we accept someone "at risk," they must be worth the risk;
2) All 2-star players need to be good enough students to reduce the workload on our "support" system; and
3) All walk-ons must be good students.

[redpony]

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At the 2012 NYC Mustang Club meeting, Jones claimed that we lacked the academic resources that Rice offers. Hart as at the meeting and did not correct him.
Nevertheless, it shouldn't be a big excuse. There is no law that says 2 star players are better students than 4 star players. [/quote]

I doubt that our academic resources are less than Rice's with the possible exceptions that a)their student athletes are smarter students when they enroll in school and b) their tutoring personnel are smarter students than ours.

[RednBlue11]

just glad we're getting mack