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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby ericdickerson4life » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:32 am

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bsturman wrote:According to espn we are the second worst team in the nation... are we in that much better of a spot than in 2000? I do think we are better but dont kid yourself into thinking there is a line of candidates knocking on our door. Mack would be a huge improvement, the influx of talent alone would be unreal. College is all about recruiting and everyone knows he can recruit.

Well he could recruit to UT, but then one would have to be dead to not be able to recruit to UT.


Look at what he did at UNC, I know, really easy to win and recruit there when he was there. Love how some people get ZERO credit for the job they have done. Mack and Fulmer's resume is better than probably 95% of all college coaches, but yet they can't manage a team, it was their assistants, they had a bad season with NFL talent on the team, ect. There are very few of these proven guys out there. There are a ton of up and coming guys. For every Malzahn there are dozens of Bennetts. Amazing that Chad Morris perceived as less of a risk than Mack. He has higher upside, but with a much lower downside as well. Experience (and some of the older posters can probably chime in here) is not something to take lightly.

We would be crazy to discount those guys. They should be in the mix. Ultimately I'd love Chad Morris as HC. And I think the second best scenario (although highly unlikely) would be something like we have done in Bball with someone like Mack and a head coach in waiting (up and coming assistant).
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby mrydel » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:37 am

Get Mack and he could
bring in Muschamp as head coach in waiting like their good old days. I think Florida would like to dump him.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby MustangStealth » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:43 am

bsturman wrote:According to espn we are the second worst team in the nation... are we in that much better of a spot than in 2000?


Absolutely. When a coach considers a job opportunity, the team's current record is pretty far down the list. Things like location, conference affiliation, admissions standards, facilities, etc. are far more important.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby PonyTime » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:44 am

The case for an old guy with a nat champ:

Instant credibility - in recruiting, in conference realignment.

We need a few years (even 3) of recruiting and then we can go with an up and comer when one of the old guys retires.

An up and comer may not be able to recruit at the level it will take to be relevant quickly.

I say - go after Mack ...
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby Harry0569 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:48 am

Please no retreads. I don't get people infatuations with Mack Brown. Dude is in his late 60s and to me does not bring a spark to the program unless you snipe top level assistants from P5.

I'd rather roll the dice on a up and coming coordinator.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby Harry0569 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:49 am

mrydel wrote:Get Mack and he could
bring in Muschamp as head coach in waiting like their good old days. I think Florida would like to dump him.


I am sensing sarcasm regarding the HCIW...? There is no way Muschamp comes here and this is coming from a UF fan who wants him to be fired.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby Stallion » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:52 am

for the record Mack Brown is 63
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby Digetydog » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:04 am

Stallion wrote:Yes we are in much better position than in 2000 in just about every category a Head Coach considers in taking a job . It was a mess. I really don't see anything that is keeping us from competing for AAC championships now other than fan support. And I had a long, long checklist of things that had to be changed back then


While I don't know the number, news reports indicate that Mack Brown is going to be paid big money by the Longhorns for years. Plus, he is making pretty good money from ESPN. If he goes back to coaching, he is probably leaving money on the table to do it. Thus, if he takes our job, it is because he loves coaching, he wants the job, and thinks that he can build a winner -> Larry Brown.

At the time of our last coaching search, our job sucked because nobody believed that it was possible to win. Old guys knew that they would pile on losses for a paycheck before getting fired. Young guys knew that they would be fired in a few years and never get a HC position again (Rossley, Cavan, Bennett). Junesus got paid a lot to take a chance.

In 2014, June has proved that it was possible to win. Larry Brown has proved that SMU wants to win and can draw a crowd if it does. Now, we just need to decide if we want to trust our program to a 1st time head coach or someone with a history of winning in their past.

BTW - retreads are not always a bad thing. Belicheat was dismal failure for the Browns. How do NE fans feel about their retread now? Pete Carrol was a failure for Jets and the Patriots. He has a Super Bowl ring and 1.5 National Championship.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby Grant Carter » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:10 am

The first thing I would want to know about Mack before hiring him is, is he pissed off about how things ended at Texas. If he is, then I consider him. If he isn't then I do not consider him.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby Digetydog » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:57 am

Grant Carter wrote:The first thing I would want to know about Mack before hiring him is, is he [deleted] off about how things ended at Texas. If he is, then I consider him. If he isn't then I do not consider him.


On Monday, I heard him on ESPN Radio. While he was very diplomatic, he sounded like a guy who was angry and wanted to coach next year.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby couch 'em » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:16 pm

Head coach Mack Brown with OC/coach-in-waiting Chad Morris
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby dcpony » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:22 pm

Rebel10 wrote:
Oregon Mustang wrote:No to Chiz and No to Fulmer!

Chiz was a disaster on the plains and would not be good on the hilltop. Fulmer was a good coach but I really have to question if he has enough gas in the tank to turn this thing around.

Stalion mentioned Hud down at ULL. He has had a lot of success but he recruits a bunch of academic at risk kids that SEC programs shy away from. I think he would have a real problem getting his type of recruit into SMU.

There may be some good current HC types out there I'm just not sure which ones would be a good fit

Could possibly stomach Mack with good young assistants but would really like Morris.

Does Oregon Duck OC Scott Frost have enough connections in Texas? How would he do?


Here's Frost's "recruiting bio." https://oregon.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp ... 72&Sport=1
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby sbsmith » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:26 pm

Grant Carter wrote:The first thing I would want to know about Mack before hiring him is, is he [deleted] off about how things ended at Texas. If he is, then I consider him. If he isn't then I do not consider him.



The first thing I would want to know about Mack before hiring him is does he know how difficult the SMU job will be. The last thing we need is another SOB in here without any idea about what he's gotten himself into.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby Stangs1970 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:28 pm

Mack Brown had the same issue that Jones had, he quit recruiting and farmed it out.

You run the risk of a guy that doesn't have that edge they previously maintained.

I like Mack as a person he sounds like he wants to prove some people wrong, I like that motivation.

When you look at what Strong is cleaning up right now you can see Mack wasn't running a very tight ship.
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Re: Latest coaching rumors

Postby ericdickerson4life » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:35 pm

couch 'em wrote:Head coach Mack Brown with OC/coach-in-waiting Chad Morris


Couch'em is right.
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