Was The Rise Real?

[ponypatrick]

Lie No. 1: "How many know that in June's final recruiting year he had 5 players that qualified, but subsequently not admitted and three more that qualified he simply withdrew. All of them had the required SAT and GPA under the past and current quidelines."

Truth: Name 1 commitment that SMU didn't admit--there were no substantial signees that weren't admitted or decommitted in 2014 because of ACADEMICS. Come on big guy-I follow recruiting about 100 times more than you and I'll prove you wrong--if you are going to come on here with that [deleted] then name some recruits-- here's the list

https://247sports.com/college/southern- ... ll/Commits

You are promoting an Urban Legend that hurts our reputation in recruiting because its nonsense. Billy Embody has just recently unequivocally corrected the Arkansas fan base about that nonsense. We are on a competitive even playing field with our natural and traditional rivals. The new NCAA admission standards made this a complete non-issue

Lie No. 2: "Over my dead back will our athletes have more assistance than our average student."

Truth: We've had multiple reports on Ponyfans alone from Student Athletes that describe substantial assistance from tutors and academic support in Hughes/Trigg that goes substantially above the support given to the average student. SMU's dismal performance under Jones has improved every year and now the football team's GPA is the highest in history. 2 Academic All-Americans to boot

Lie No. 3: "Remember how we were all told that Simmons would be able to accommodate things like general studies, coaching, a career path in education that would be friendly to athletes?"

Truth: The vast majority of the Basketball team and a high number of the Football team are majoring in Sports Management or Applied Physiology (just another name for the more common Kinesiology at other school) in the Simmons School of Education which probably cost the university in excess of $50 Million for 2 new buildings, infrastructure and new professors. That is a promise kept at great cost to the university. More student/athletes major at the Simmons School of Education than any other school in the university. No reputable school has a major in general education or coaching. In Texas you can't get a teacher's certificate in those majors.

Lie No. 4: "Like Chad he was also promised an IPF"

Truth: Unlike Herman at UH the same agent-considered the No. 1 agent in College Football- didn't negotiate an IPF in Morris' contract with SMU which is the agreement between the university and coach. Morris is not a dumbass-he knew the university wasn't paying for it out of operating revenue or the endowment. From Day 1 it was understood that funding for an IPF would need to come from donations from alumni which needed to be at least 80% of the construction costs JUST LIKE AT EVERY OTHER IPF that has been funded at similar schools like Baylor and TCU. I've posted links showing those facilities were both fully funded by alumni donations BEFORE construction commenced. Reportedly SMU just reached the 80% level and its been approved by the BOT within months of reaching 80%. If anything that's a promise delayed by lack of alumni donations and now kept in 3 years.

Lie No. 5: "Most of you are unaware in January of his last season he tired to resign, even foregoing the last year of his contract but these same donors pursuaded him to stay promising changes. When he saw nothing improving, he got rid of his home and iived in a hotel room for the rest of his stay."

Truth: Its too damn bad he didn't just go ahead and quit instead of cashing his paycheck for a couple of more years while doing half his job. June Jones lazy [deleted] recruiting has been exposed by the successor as wholly inadequate-pathetic really-- everybody in College Football knows it and he'll never get a decent college job again.

Lie No. 6: "Chad was no diffferent. Our people simply lied. And its not just the IPF. As I told you earlier three years ago, Chad will be gone before any IPF is ever completed."
Truth: See Lie No. 4

Lie No. 7: "It is no wonder our Athletic Department turned in Larry Brown. Worse, they didn't fight the NCAA, they didn't appeal, and they didn't properly support our coaches. Do you have any idea the cost and effort to do a forensic investigation on every computer on campus that runs through our server to identify which person helped Kieth with his online high school"

Truth: Larry Brown was turned in by himself when he lied to the NCAA during deposition testimony. SMU did contest the initial NCAA findings and in fact did appeal the sanctions. We didn't appeal certain parts of the NCAA findings because under new NCAA legislation a Level 2 violation results in an automatic sanctions that would have been futile to appeal. SMU also made the correct decision to take its punishment so the momentum in the program wouldn't be lost by transferring upperclassmen. SMU made absolutely the correct decision which is why we still had a strong program last year and this year and have apparently bridged the gap so that the future of our basketball program is as high as ever looking forward. This nonsense about the forensic costs to defend against NCAA enforcement is laughable because every recruiting contact with a recruit has to be documented under NCAA rule--and if you can't produce those records to the NCAA you are going to get nailed by the NCAA.


Lie No. 8: Can you imagine that the highlight of Tricky Ricky's tenure is to raise ticket prices twice at Moody and sign us up to get our asses whipped for a $3,000,000 paycheck. A game Chad begged for us to cancel. All to balance a budget that comes directly from the President's office.

Truth: That's just the price of competing at the FBS and Division 1 Level at a school with a small fanbase. It is a universal phenomenum and as links show to schools like Gonzaga and other Texas nationally competitive programs-SMU's fanbase has been paying below market.

Thanks for spending the time to very thoroughly answer each point !!

[gostangs]

Not sure why anyone is thanking Mex for "insider info" . It isn't nothing of the sort. His insider info is a bunch of old drunk guys at royal oaks talking to other old drunk guys. Total hog wash. Would refute by point but stallion already did so.

The only good points he makes are :
1). Turner should probably retire. He has been here past his expiration date and time for new ideas.
2) we spend more dough on buildings than we should relative to other support - namely building the endowment and scholarship support. The most effective thing SMU has done is the cox scholar program which has kept us academically relevant. We need a TON more of those kind of programs and less new building projects.
3) June did have more support with two key alums than he deserved, and that extended him a year too long probably.

The rest is total crap. Our administration is prop athletics and our BOT is very pro athletics. They are just not stupid enough to bankrupt the university chasing someone's left over SWC dreams.

[MV pony]

Enjoy the empty stands. As for me, I have had enough. Not even really interested in checking the scores any more. My New Year resolution is to become a UCLA t-shirt fan. And you can bet the door won't hit me on the way out. Good luck. Count me gone.

[mtrout]

So mex says everything is awful. Stallion says we’re doing everything we can. Now we conclude another year of smu ranking in the bottom half of fbs football (#88 sagarin).

[tristatecoog]

Do VPs and up get memberships to Royal Oaks? I know one VP that's a member. Wonder if some BOTs and RGT are.

[skyscraper]

Why do people on here still believe Mex? It's the same stuff every time, just changing the names for more than a decade now and all of his paranoia rarely pans out and he's STILL DEFENDING JUNE.
He makes the basketball program sound like a trainwreck when it's actually incredibly successful. That alone should throw off some red flags.
June quit on us and Chad is ambitious to a fault, but somehow an IPF would have fixed all of it???
SMU is far from perfect and I agree that this reseating will kill a lot of the energy in Moody, but somehow it's always RGT's fault for everything? Life isn't that simple.

[Stallion]

Its all half-truths and hearsay from a guy that doesn't understand basic concepts about the topics he's talking about.

Example: I'm laughing because Mex makes this claim about qualified recruits not being admitted in June's last recruiting class which was 2014. That's 100% false.

I already know where he got his facts wrong and furthered his mistake by the wrong assumptions from the facts. He really meant to refer to the 2013 class when we dropped Jarvis Baxter, Freddie Johnson and Brian Taylor right before signing date. He assumes they were qualified but a kid wouldn't know that until he graduated under the NCAA sliding scale. What happened is that SMU made a presigning date projection that they wouldn't qualify at graduation in the Spring. This is done by every school in Texas because starting in 2013 you are limited to a "hard" 25 signees and by signing kids that don't qualify you lose that scholarship. KEY POINT: All 3 signed with a JUCO on the first day of signing date meaning no one else was willing to gamble that they would qualify either. In fact, none signed out of JUCO as a first year JUCO which they could have if they had been full qualifiers. The only one who played FBS football was Baxter but had to stay 2 years at a JUCO because he had been a non-qualifier out of high school. He signed out of JUCO with South Florida BUT FAILED TO QUALIFY AGAIN. He finally walked on at OU after his 3rd year. Half-truths, incorrect facts, lack of understanding of NCAA rules and hearsay. In summary, he wasn't refused admission to SMU despite being a full qualifier--instead he wasn't allowed to sign a Letter of Intent because SMU wasn't willing to gamble on losing one of its 25 scholarships for a prospect that didn't project to qualify in the spring after graduation--and in fact didn't qualify-TWICE.

[geno]

I would be willing to bet that if we had a $25 million dollar IPF on the grounds, completed, right now, Chad would still be located in Arkansas somewhere doing what he does best. Anybody who thinks a completed IPF would have cancelled out Chad's ambition is limited in scope.

[One Trick Pony]

I would be willing to bet that if we had a $25 million dollar IPF on the grounds, completed, right now, Chad would still be located in Arkansas somewhere doing what he does best. Anybody who thinks a completed IPF would have cancelled out Chad's ambition is limited in scope.

Limited in scope is the ponyfans mantra

[oilpony]

I would be willing to bet that if we had a $25 million dollar IPF on the grounds, completed, right now, Chad would still be located in Arkansas somewhere doing what he does best. Anybody who thinks a completed IPF would have cancelled out Chad's ambition is limited in scope.

Limited in scope is the ponyfans mantra

Lol

[mtrout]

Why is there 0 public info about the new ipf?

[Black Horseshoe]

Why is there 0 public info about the new ipf?

I give chump change and know all about it. Go to games and ask staff

[mrydel]

They announced it at the Dykes intro. Should break ground in March where the old Natty was.

[mtrout]

Right. I know the very general details but was lookig for an inside/outside rendering.

Unt is building one that aims to be completed july ‘19 and is also building a new track/soccer complex. I see renderings for that ipf from a google search.

[gostangs]

Do VPs and up get memberships to Royal Oaks? I know one VP that's a member. Wonder if some BOTs and RGT are.

I don't know of any VP's at royal oaks and RGT is not a member. RGT is at DCC (honorary) along with most of our BOT.