YALL ARE AS BAD AS LSU FANS!!!

[Mustangsabu]

assert ourselves as an intellectual hub of the nation.

"I only speak rationally"..."I only deal with reality"..."you are all too small-minded to see"...blah blah blah.

SMU is closer to winning a national championship in football than SMU being seen as THE intellectual hub of the nation...which ain't close. Get over your ivory tower, elitist bullshite. It's disgusting and no worse than the "rich brats" you clearly seem to despise.

I said "an" intellectual hub. And you have misquoted me, repeatedly.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am not elitist, in the slightest. I do, however, believe that I see the issues facing the football program in a more rounded manner than many on here, those who resort to personal insults, unfounded claims and obvious and pervasive agendas.

[SMU_Alumni11]

Most of the time when people talk about south Dallas they are talking about blacks. If you are talking the people that are economically worse off then that might another subject matter. But the people over there are mostly black and Hispanic. And most are not criminals.

Well I'm basing it off all the articles and crime charts highlighting that area. I mean if you know people and they have given you an entirely different perception awesome. I hope to God I'm wrong but based on evidence, articles and other peoples commentary of the area I have always thought and continue to believe when I go through there.

Believe or not I lived out therefor a few years and it's not what people say it is. Not saying you don't have people that are not good over there but for the most part most are just working class people trying to make it the best way they can on usually lower paying jobs. I hope that kind of helps.

Well unlike that dipstick Abu, you actually provided a worthy statement and commentary. If you say it is then it gives me hope that its not bad. Honestly I would love all of Dallas to be 1950s (minus the racist stuff) family loving God centered community. Unfortunately there are people down there that commit frequent crimes and such that have been giving people like me that perception. Unfortunately food acts are like QBs great passes they are easily forgettable whereas crimes down there are like interceptions they seem to continually haunt you throughout the game.

[Mustangsabu]

SMU needs to be a beacon to the entire city. Parts of South Dallas suffer from serious socio-economic problems but education is probably the most important instrument of change, and we need to play a role in that. And then of course there is the fact that we want the sons of south Dallas to populate our teams and help us to break free of crippling mediocrity, and their friends and families to fill the stands.

The attitude of people like Alumni11 is a disservice to SMU, and utterly devoid of an understanding of the civic role of universities.

Oh wow any day you would like to get off the high and mighty soap box? Education is great to an extent unless those kids down there get a full ride scholarship they are going to get hit with crippling debt. As great as education is, it can be the worst thing if its not back by the end goal of school: a job. If it doesn't result with that, then education failed. Fortunately my school has been good at that. It provided me with a great job and fortunately I didn't get the Occupy Wall street mindset that Abu has yuck!

There are, broadly speaking, two types of education. One is academic and one is vocational. The purpose of the latter is to prepare for particular careers but it is a small subset of education. The former has totally escaped you. You should be proud of your business degree, but it does not mean that you are well educated. The fact that you have such a limited view of education is ample evidence of that.

[SMU_Alumni11]

assert ourselves as an intellectual hub of the nation.

"I only speak rationally"..."I only deal with reality"..."you are all too small-minded to see"...blah blah blah.

SMU is closer to winning a national championship in football than SMU being seen as THE intellectual hub of the nation...which ain't close. Get over your ivory tower, elitist bullshite. It's disgusting and no worse than the "rich brats" you clearly seem to despise.

I said "an" intellectual hub. And you have misquoted me, repeatedly.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am not elitist, in the slightest. I do, however, believe that I see the issues facing the football program in a more rounded manner than many on here, those who resort to personal insults, unfounded claims and obvious and pervasive agendas.

Uh MSNBC, what "pervasive agendas" are people trying to push on a football board?? I'll leave it at that since you feel so attacked which I have to say is a bit of a double standard considering the comments you were saying to me lol.

[SMU_Alumni11]

SMU needs to be a beacon to the entire city. Parts of South Dallas suffer from serious socio-economic problems but education is probably the most important instrument of change, and we need to play a role in that. And then of course there is the fact that we want the sons of south Dallas to populate our teams and help us to break free of crippling mediocrity, and their friends and families to fill the stands.

The attitude of people like Alumni11 is a disservice to SMU, and utterly devoid of an understanding of the civic role of universities.

Oh wow any day you would like to get off the high and mighty soap box? Education is great to an extent unless those kids down there get a full ride scholarship they are going to get hit with crippling debt. As great as education is, it can be the worst thing if its not back by the end goal of school: a job. If it doesn't result with that, then education failed. Fortunately my school has been good at that. It provided me with a great job and fortunately I didn't get the Occupy Wall street mindset that Abu has yuck!

There are, broadly speaking, two types of education. One is academic and one is vocational. The purpose of the latter is to prepare for particular careers but it is a small subset of education. The former has totally escaped you. You should be proud of your business degree, but it does not mean that you are well educated. The fact that you have such a limited view of education is ample evidence of that.

Ok again how did academics escape me? More importantly what do you consider to be academic just so we have an apple to apple comparison. Then finally how is the vocational not more important than the academic? (but before judging me on the last question give me a serious legitimate answer on the what you consider to be academic and how it actually benefits you first.

[Rebel10]

Trust me there are people in North Dallas that commit crimes as well. But I guess what I am saying is that if you just read certain statics and not get to know the actual people it can leave you believing something that is not entirely true. Kind of like when June only watches tapes of players but does not go out to see players play then offers scholarships proclaiming they are the best players in the world. When they might not be in reality.

[Mustangsabu]

People on here hate June and they promote an anti-June agenda. I should have been clearer.

And I'm not feeling attacked in any way. I'm rather enjoying myself.

[SMUer]

You repeatedly call people small-minded and less intelligent than you are...In my experience EVERYONE who does that is also elitist.

I did misquote you...you said "a" hub not "the" hub...it still doesn't change the fact that this is not a reasonable or rational short-term goal. We are decades away from having the physical and intellectual assets required to do this. I just think it's funny that you think you are the measure of rationality on this board but also think SMU is nearly on the same platform as schools like Harvard , Princeton, Stanford, Northwestern, Michigan, Ohio State, Duke, Rice, etc .

[Mustangsabu]

I don't thing that we are on a par with those schools at all. I think we need to move in that direction. And I think you are right, it's decades away. But we have the money and location to make headway.

I find many of the arguments made in the June Jones debate to be small minded. There are people that in my opinion irrationally love him (though there are few) and those who I find to hate him irrationally. When I read things that lack perspective and I tend to think that they are the result of narrow thinking. I genuinely regret that I come across as arrogant and "ivory tower"ish. But I won't stop calling people out for thinking that I see as detrimental to the betterment of SMU and/or (for what it's worth) this board.

[SMU_Alumni11]

Trust me there are people in North Dallas that commit crimes as well. But I guess what I am saying is that if you just read certain statics and not get to know the actual people it can leave you believing something that is not entirely true. Kind of like when June only watches tapes of players but does not go out to see players play then offers scholarships proclaiming they are the best players in the world. When they might not be in reality.

Very true I agree with that point. I'll try not to be quick to judge until something actually happens to me and even then still shouldn't write off half the city like that but I will say I'm still going to be nervous when I go by fair park area or oak cliff.

[SMU_Alumni11]

I don't thing that we are on a par with those schools at all. I think we need to move in that direction. And I think you are right, it's decades away. But we have the money and location to make headway.

I find many of the arguments made in the June Jones debate to be small minded. There are people that in my opinion irrationally love him (though there are few) and those who I find to hate him irrationally. When I read things that lack perspective and I tend to think that they are the result of narrow thinking. I genuinely regret that I come across as arrogant and "ivory tower"ish. But I won't stop calling people out for thinking that I see as detrimental to the betterment of SMU and/or (for what it's worth) this board.

Ok would it be more academic of me to qualify my statement of hate for JJ by saying I hate he won't get off his lazy carcass for 5 years and not go out and recruit like the big time programs. Will it be unacademic if I'm critical of his perception of the OOC games by considering them preseason games? Instead of going over and over again on dead end subjects I just simplify and say I hate the guy as a coach and want him gone cause I think he's simply a guy collecting a check based on the observable evidence around me (games, ponyfans, ponypride, etc)

[Mustangsabu]

Not more academic, but more focused. That's a start.

[Mountain Mustang]

No its just blows our minds that someone can be this stupid and that's including the south Dallas trash... Ok I'll bite.

June Jones does not recruit, period. His recruiting classes are atrocious and is always in the 90-125 recruiting classes and then justify that he jokingly can train them up.

In his sixth year has yet to beat a top 25 team except TCU which is a rivalry game so you expect a one to money trade off which he hasn't.

He doesn't connect with alums and fan base. If anything just creates hostility, obviously...

All 3 together creates the worst coach. Sure the Hawaii bowl (1st time) was exciting same for armed forces bowl but after that its c'mon win a conference championship... Get us to a reputable bowl not a gimme bowl. Time is now to curb stomp him and put Hal as interim.

SMU_Alumni11 - While you and Mustangsabu continue to argue academia I don't know if he will ever deconstruct your original argument, but I sure as hell will since it's a load of bull.

Your first assertion regarding recruiting classes being "always in the 90-125...":
National Ranking according to Rivals:
2013: 70
2012: 89
2011: 50
2010: 76
2009: 80
2008: 94
So the only year he was as you say "always in the 90-125..." was the first year he got here with a shortened recruiting season. It hadn't been that great but not nearly as bad as your memory suggests.

The bowl games. Gimmes? Really? I'm trying to find the point spread stats to prove but we played Nevada, Army, Pitt, and Fresno State in our bowl games. I bet we were only favored in one (Army, which we lost at home - I'm not happy about it either) and we won 3 of the four and by wide margins. Maybe not the Orange Bowl, but you've got to crawl before you walk.

Your assertion is that June Jones is the "worst coach." So if you want to go back to Cavan, or Bennett, be my guest. I'd bet it would be a pretty lonely cheering section.

Full disclosure, I like you graduated from SMU with a business degree. I live in North Carolina so I root from afar, but I've been extremely pleased over June Jones' tenure to be able to root for a competitive team with a winning record over the last 4 years and watch my team play in bowl games. I'm ready to take the next step, compete for conference championships and BCS games, but I'm also understanding that it takes time. Until Jones takes a significant step back for multiple years in a row in the W-L column ( the only column that really matters), I'll continue to support him. The dips in the last two recruiting class rankings is very troublesome, but I'm content to wait and see if this is reflected on the field. I think Jones has earned that right.

As your moniker suggests if you're a '11 alumni (I'm a 2001), then you haven't been through the suffering that I and others have. I went to just about every home game from post death penalty through the Cavan era before moving to NC. That suffering makes the June Jones Era pretty damn nice in my opinion.
GO PONIES.

[Rebel10]

Trust me there are people in North Dallas that commit crimes as well. But I guess what I am saying is that if you just read certain statics and not get to know the actual people it can leave you believing something that is not entirely true. Kind of like when June only watches tapes of players but does not go out to see players play then offers scholarships proclaiming they are the best players in the world. When they might not be in reality.

Very true I agree with that point. I'll try not to be quick to judge until something actually happens to me and even then still shouldn't write off half the city like that but I will say I'm still going to be nervous when I go by fair park area or oak cliff.

Glad I was able to offer some decent insight.

[Rebel10]

No its just blows our minds that someone can be this stupid and that's including the south Dallas trash... Ok I'll bite.

June Jones does not recruit, period. His recruiting classes are atrocious and is always in the 90-125 recruiting classes and then justify that he jokingly can train them up.

In his sixth year has yet to beat a top 25 team except TCU which is a rivalry game so you expect a one to money trade off which he hasn't.

He doesn't connect with alums and fan base. If anything just creates hostility, obviously...

All 3 together creates the worst coach. Sure the Hawaii bowl (1st time) was exciting same for armed forces bowl but after that its c'mon win a conference championship... Get us to a reputable bowl not a gimme bowl. Time is now to curb stomp him and put Hal as interim.

SMU_Alumni11 - While you and Mustangsabu continue to argue academia I don't know if he will ever deconstruct your original argument, but I sure as hell will since it's a load of bull.

Your first assertion regarding recruiting classes being "always in the 90-125...":
National Ranking according to Rivals:
2013: 70
2012: 89
2011: 50
2010: 76
2009: 80
2008: 94
So the only year he was as you say "always in the 90-125..." was the first year he got here with a shortened recruiting season. It hadn't been that great but not nearly as bad as your memory suggests.

The bowl games. Gimmes? Really? I'm trying to find the point spread stats to prove but we played Nevada, Army, Pitt, and Fresno State in our bowl games. I bet we were only favored in one (Army, which we lost at home - I'm not happy about it either) and we won 3 of the four and by wide margins. Maybe not the Orange Bowl, but you've got to crawl before you walk.

Your assertion is that June Jones is the "worst coach." So if you want to go back to Cavan, or Bennett, be my guest. I'd bet it would be a pretty lonely cheering section.

Full disclosure, I like you graduated from SMU with a business degree. I live in North Carolina so I root from afar, but I've been extremely pleased over June Jones' tenure to be able to root for a competitive team with a winning record over the last 4 years and watch my team play in bowl games. I'm ready to take the next step, compete for conference championships and BCS games, but I'm also understanding that it takes time. Until Jones takes a significant step back for multiple years in a row in the W-L column ( the only column that really matters), I'll continue to support him. The dips in the last two recruiting class rankings is very troublesome, but I'm content to wait and see if this is reflected on the field. I think Jones has earned that right.

As your moniker suggests if you're a '11 alumni (I'm a 2001), then you haven't been through the suffering that I and others have. I went to just about every home game from post death penalty through the Cavan era before moving to NC. That suffering makes the June Jones Era pretty damn nice in my opinion.
GO PONIES.

He may have been incorrect about the number but they have not been that good. Check the current class now and see where we rank in the AAC. But we can definitely beat bad teams.