Knee-jerk reaction - are we finished?

[Stallion]

also judge proposed $5,000 stipend for advertising rights is to be placed in a fund to be distributed after graduation

[smusportspage]

Its ridiculous and not what autonomy is about. The stipend is a maximum to be determined in the next few months by the P5 projected to be between $2,000-$5,000. Since the judge said the NCAA could limit pooled advertising stipend to each recruit to $5,000 then that is probably where this heading. Where are you guys getting this open market in recruiting theme from. Its disinformation. Anything over the P5 autonomous stipend limit wilt still be against NCAA rules just like it is today with regard to the room/board stipend today

Stallion, don't take away what little fun we can get out of this. Besides, what was once called cheating is now simply retermed "stipend". Seriously, you think the paying will max out at the stipend? The stipend is just a false ceiling. Schools will go beyond that, we all know that.

[Topper]

It was no better or worse than our other CUSA opponents and I've been to every home game since 2003.

The point is that given the circumstances attendance should have been much better than a typical CUSA game and our attendance at a typical CUSA game is pathetic. I recall that we received more top 25 votes that week than UT. No one seemed to care outside of the die hards.

[Topper]

It was a beautiful day, we had just beaten TCU, we were playing the defending champion of our league, and the crowd was pathetic, embarrasing, and an insult to the team and the coaches. The team's play that day was a testament to their character in light of what was practically zero fan interest.

I wish that character would have shown up in the following games, maybe they could have shown all those no-shows what they were missing.

How do you show no-shows what they are missing if they arent there and dont seem to care?

[ideal]

jj has a duty to engage with the community and create fan interest, not just diagram plays,
it isn't rocket science to bring people to the stadium, minor league baseball teams have developed many interesting attractions. Spreading around free tickets is another great loss leader, but you have to let people know you want them to participate. And that you appreciate them.

[PoconoPony]

also judge proposed $5,000 stipend for advertising rights is to be placed in a fund to be distributed after graduation

It seems like placing needed money into a fund until after you graduate is really a joke. What difference does it make when you actually take the money. You earned it; you should get it. Putting it into some ridiculous fund to be distributed until after graduation is a fraud that only appeases some purists concept of amateurism.

[sbsmith]

How do you show no-shows what they are missing if they arent there and dont seem to care?

You show them by continuing to win, remember that right after the UCF game we went out and lost back to back road games by a combined score of 65-10. Win those two and we're 7-1 and ranked for the first time in a quarter century. Win the rest and we're in the Top 10 at 11-1 and hosting the C-USA title game playing for a chance to win the conference and go to the BCS. You think no-shows might have started to show up at that point?

[ghost]

Quit worrying about things you can't control and try to be the best you can be with the things you can control. Then when the next fallout happens, which is frequently, be ready to act. The problem with SMU is that too few people care about athletics. Doesn't mean they are wrong, just makes it harder for those of us who do care.

[EastStang]

From news reports, I got the feeling that $5,000 is a floor not a ceiling. The other shoe to drop is of course Title IX. You can't pay the boys without paying the girls. That is why the P5 schools are wetting themselves over this. If you start to pay, you may find the pool is larger than expected.

[Stallion]

you must not be reading very closely then because its quite clear it's not. Whatever number it is will be the same for each P5 school and player and non-P5 schools can match

[Stallion]

With regard to the advertising stipend the Court held as follows:

In a partial victory for the NCAA, though, Wilken said the body that governs college athletics could set a cap on the money paid to athletes, as long as it allows at least $5,000 per athlete per year of competition. Individual schools could offer less money, she said, but only if they don't unlawfully conspire among themselves to set those amounts.

That means FBS football players and Division I basketball players who are on rosters for four years could potentially get around $20,000 when they leave school. Wilken said she set the $5,000 annual threshold to balance the NCAA's fears about huge payments to players

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ ... e-24909075

[Stallion]

With regard to the full costs of education stipend:

The top 64 schools in the richest five leagues (the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12) plus Notre Dame can submit their own legislation by Oct. 1 and have it enacted at the January 2015 NCAA convention in Washington, D.C. Several presidents said Thursday that the full cost-of-attendance stipends, which could be worth between $2,000 and $5,000 per player, likely would be the first item taken up. The NCAA approved those stipends three years ago, but legislation was halted when the full membership voted it down. Four-year scholarship guarantees are expected to be on the early agenda, as well.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... onferences

[Stallion]

2011 Stipend Approved by NCAA Board but then Revoked by Full Membership:

The board passed legislation in October [2011] to give some athletes an additional $2,000 toward the full cost-of-tuition, money that would go beyond tuition, room and board, books and fees.

[EastStang]

With regard to the advertising stipend the Court held as follows:

In a partial victory for the NCAA, though, Wilken said the body that governs college athletics could set a cap on the money paid to athletes, as long as it allows at least $5,000 per athlete per year of competition. Individual schools could offer less money, she said, but only if they don't unlawfully conspire among themselves to set those amounts.

That means FBS football players and Division I basketball players who are on rosters for four years could potentially get around $20,000 when they leave school. Wilken said she set the $5,000 annual threshold to balance the NCAA's fears about huge payments to players

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ ... e-24909075

Note the words "at least". To me that means that the amount could be more. So, if they set the bar at $5,000 is that not a conspiracy? Further, there is another case brought against the NCAA under anti-trust grounds stating that the rules restricting pay are anti-competitive in another district. And then there's the Northwestern NLRB case which allows players to unionize. I believe that if a school goes rogue and the NCAA attempts to slap them, there may be an anti-trust suit in there on the part of the school. You might read for fun the case of Goldfarb v. Virginia State Bar. The Supreme Court of Virginia had a price schedule for certain legal fees. It was held that even though it was a state regulation it was price fixing. The best thing that could happen is for a union to come into the picture because that would give schools the cover they need to fix prices all they want.

[Water Pony]

From news reports, I got the feeling that $5,000 is a floor not a ceiling. The other shoe to drop is of course Title IX. You can't pay the boys without paying the girls. That is why the P5 schools are wetting themselves over this. If you start to pay, you may find the pool is larger than expected.

And, thanks for raising the issue on non-revenue sports for Men and Women!