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No More Sellouts for SMU

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:23 am
by DFW Raider
I was at the game last night, and although I wish Tech would have taken a knee I can definitely understand Leach's philosophy. Regardless of what one's opinion is, playing to score until the clock strikes 0:00 is not illegal, nor is it totally unexpected in Division IA ball.
Phil Bennett's actions were classless, crybaby-ish, wreckless, and could have caused a major brawl with the players. Thank goodness Leach hasn't whined like a baby and lost his emotions when Tech has been on the other end of late scores (which they have several times).
As for SMU, I imagine they have pretty much lost their chances at getting anyone into Ford Stadium to sell it out for them until A&M comes calling in 2011. Last night's game was only the third sellout in Ford Stadium history (the other two were the stadium's opening night and Tech's last visit in 2002). It's likely that the only thing that will keep SMU above the NCAA Division IA minimum attendance mark of 15000 this year is Tech, and very few major opponents are willing to play at Ford, especially in a 50/50 home and home arrangement.
SMU's players deserve better than Bennett -- his team played hard last night but he's proven the last few years to be a lousy Division IA coach. Now, he's proven to be a crybaby that can't control his emotions. Instead of getting acting like a wuss, maybe Bennett should have been congratulating his defense on stopping Tech at the end of the game.
SMU can't afford to [deleted] off the only team that has provided sellouts and revenue in it's home stadium, and the fact that the entire stadium was booing Bennett as his team left the field was pretty enlightening as to just how few SMU fans were at the game.
Coach Bennett, if you can't take the heat of major college football then maybe you need to quit your job and go take up ballet.

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:50 am
by BUS
Bennett stuck up for his young hard working players. You know the kind that don't go to jail on DRUG charges...
Bam Bam
The name of the game is football. The object is to win and build character in young men. You won the game and showed poor chatacter.
It's that simple.

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:58 am
by DFW Raider
Bam Morris didn't even play under Leach, so your post is pretty silly.
Considering SMU's history of breaking every NCAA rule in the book, you are the LAST school that should be talking about building character and doing things the right way.
Your coach is clearly a "pity us" marshmallow, which is exactly why his team is 0-13 over the last two seasons.

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:58 am
by SmooPower
When SMU is playing for the Conference USA championship in two or three years (and selling out Ford with SMU fans), and Texas Tech is still stuck behind Oklahoma and Texas (and probably a couple other teams) in the Big XII South, I will look back upon this post with fond memories.
We are improving. We will draw more fans as we win games. It is coming.
As for "[deleted] off TT", I doubt SMU really gives a damn, as we probably won't play you guys for a long time after last night.
If anyone cares to challenge me on this, I'll just edit your post to agree with me.


Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:01 pm
by PlanoStang
With SMU's improved play, both Baylor, and TCU could sellout next year.

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:10 pm
by DFW Raider
I agree that SMU is improved, but strongly disagree that you'll see any sellouts again this season, or the next, or the next. Last night's game was 80% Tech fans easily. I sat in the family section and it was all Tech, and whenever Tech scored the entire stadium erupted except for a patch of fans around the SMU band.
Bennett is not a strong enough coach to make SMU a consistent winner. He should have been patting his players on the back for playing a good game last night instead of charging the opposing coach and almost starting what could have been a serious brawl.
I personally wasn't crazy about Leach's aggressiveness on the last drive, but he has never made it any secret that his teams play the game for 60 minutes regardless of the score. Leach has not whined or started confrontations when the score has been run up on Tech -- he's stated that it's Tech's responsibility to stop the opponent from scoring. Bennett showed his true character in how he reacted to the situation, and he is lucky that his actions didn't result in someone getting hurt.
I'll take a Leach or Spurrier "score as much as you can" mentality over a Bennett "feel sorry for us" mentality any day of the week.

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:16 pm
by Hoop Fan
there was booing going on BEFORE the game ended too. Maybe the Tech fans still there were booing Leach. And teams score late in games for all kinds of reasons. Effective running by second string is most common. To have 1 minute left, keeping your first string in and throwing the ball like that is very poor. Nobody does that. Nobody except Leach.

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:20 pm
by PlanoStang
Somehow I suspect you were one of the Tech fans that rammed the goal posts into the A$M section after that game a few years ago.
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Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:28 pm
by DFW Raider
PlanoStang wrote:Somehow I suspect you were one of the Tech fans that rammed the goal posts into the A$M section after that game a few years ago.
No, not at all and I certainly didn't condone it.
But I also wouldn't condone my team's coach charging and shoving the opposing coach because he couldn't take the other team trying to score.
As I said, I'm not crazy about Leach's decision to try and score. But Leach did nothing illegal or against the rules of the game, and he has never hid the fact that he expects his teams to play until the clock strikes 0:00.
Coach Bennett acted like an out of control jerk, and instead of giving his players a well deserved pat on the back he turned the game into a "pity us" display. When all of this blows over, it will be the big bully Tech trying to run up the score on the weak sensitive SMU; I personally wouldn't want everyone feeling sorry for my team, and all this does is further the perception that SMU is so bad that other teams should have mercy on them.

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:47 pm
by Stallion
Hey Pal-the truth is that if Tech decides not to play SMU in Dallas it will be Tech's loss. This is an ideal showcase for your program in a metropolitan area that produces more Division 1A prospects than any in the Nation. Just go take a look at OSU recruiting class over the last two years dotted with DFW Metroplex players after their impressive showing in Dallas. Just ask A&M who has been ignoring Dallas for years and has simply been drounced in recruiting in DFW by UT, OU, and OSU. Its in Tech's interest to showcase their large DFW alumni base to those recruits and to showcase their program to those alumni. If Tech doesn't agree I guess Tech fans can just continue to enjoy that 6 hour drive into the West Texas desert where there might be 10 total recruits within a 250 mile region. Because of recent events I really don't think we'll have much trouble replacing Tech with other Big 12 teams because the Big 12 coaches are beginning to realize the importance of DFW to their success.
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Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:56 pm
by PlanoStang
DFW Raider wrote:PlanoStang wrote:Somehow I suspect you were one of the Tech fans that rammed the goal posts into the A$M section after that game a few years ago.
No, not at all and I certainly didn't condone it.
But I also wouldn't condone my team's coach charging and shoving the opposing coach because he couldn't take the other team trying to score.
As I said, I'm not crazy about Leach's decision to try and score. But Leach did nothing illegal or against the rules of the game, and he has never hid the fact that he expects his teams to play until the clock strikes 0:00.
Coach Bennett acted like an out of control jerk, and instead of giving his players a well deserved pat on the back he turned the game into a "pity us" display. When all of this blows over, it will be the big bully Tech trying to run up the score on the weak sensitive SMU; I personally wouldn't want everyone feeling sorry for my team, and all this does is further the perception that SMU is so bad that other teams should have mercy on them.
Its just a matter of class that you don't kick your opponent when he's down because what goes around comes around. When it happens, its likely your opponent will get PO'd, and tell you about it. That's what happended last night.
So why come on our board, and kick us poor sensitive lil ponies when
we're down?
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Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:59 pm
by DFW Raider
Stallion wrote:Hey Pal-the truth is that if Tech decides not to play SMU in Dallas it will be Tech's loss. This is an ideal showcase for your program in a metropolitan area that produces more Division 1A prospects than any in the Nation. Just go take a look at OSU recruiting class over the last two years dotted with DFW Metroplex players after their impressive showing in Dallas. Just ask A&M who has been ignoring Dallas for years and has simply been drounced in recruiting in DFW by UT, OU, and OSU. Its in Tech's interest to showcase their large DFW alumni base to those recruits and to showcase their program to those alumni. If Tech doesn't agree I guess Tech fans can just continue to enjoy that 6 hour drive into the West Texas desert where there might be 10 total recruits within a 250 mile region. Because of recent events I really don't think we'll have much trouble replacing Tech with other Big 12 teams because the Big 12 coaches are beginning to realize the importance of DFW to their success.
This is not Tech's loss at all. Both TCU and North Texas will schedule us in a heartbeat because we have a huge DFW alumni base and bring tons of fans. SMU can't put fans in it's seats unless Tech comes to town, and your football program operates in the red. OSU doesn't fill up your stadium and neither does TCU. I have no doubt that Big 12 teams will play SMU, but none of them aside from Tech are going to give SMU a 50/50 home and home arrangement, and none of them aside from Tech, UT, or A&M are going to sellout your stadium for you.
The paper said today that only three crowds in history have topped 30k for SMU -- Ford Stadium's opening night and the two Tech games. Clearly, SMU needs opponents like Tech much worse than Tech needs you. For a DFW presence we have two more formidable opponents we can schedule in North Texas and TCU. And, unlike SMU, those teams are strong enough that they don't feel like Tech needs to pity them.

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:26 pm
by Water Pony
DFW Raider:
You have:
- Huge enrollment
- BCS Revenue thru Big 12
- Bigger athletic budgets
- Recent big time success last year against a team with 40+ freshman
and you want us to not care when you have locked a win against an team of Freshman and Sophomores and then proceed to pass like crazy in the last minute to lay another score on a team that played well into the third quarter.
Are you nuts? Go back to Lubbock and take pride in that because based on the above it looks like Phil Bennett is not the problem but the solution.
Good luck in the Big 12 this year. You'll need it.


Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:27 pm
by Dooby

Posted:
Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:34 pm
by OldPony
Yeah- We really need Tech. Now take your classless act back to the sand and cr@p hole that Lubbuck is and always will be. You have the 2 most obnoxious coaches in the USA. Maybe if your lucky someday they'll replace Lubbock High with a college. I've never seen anyone try to score with a hurry up offense on the other team with 15 seconds to go. No one has done that to you Sand Aggies but I am hoping to see it this year. You can see it coming. We'll kick your [deleted] within 2 years. Run back now to that dung hole you call a school.