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A belated congrats on your win against San Jose State.

I suppose we will get one in due time. Jeez!?!?!?

So will it be the Safeway parking lot now?

"If losing builds character, what the hell does winning do?"

Winning keeps you from having to say that losing builds character. Good luck the rest of the way.

UNT scheduled a lot of money games for the budget that overmatched the team just like SMU did in our NC games. Once we got into the conference schedule we had a chance to win. Sun Belt games will improve the UNT record soon. Enjoy.

Thanks GREENER and good luck to you guys.

Ditto - thanks for the support, Meanie.

Fear not, your boys will do just fine once they get to start smacking around some of your own conference opponents.

By the way, did Brandon Kennedy make an NFL roster?

ClassOf81 wrote:Ditto - thanks for the support, Meanie.

Fear not, your boys will do just fine once they get to start smacking around some of your own conference opponents.

By the way, did Brandon Kennedy make an NFL roster?

I believe "Booger" was released on the final cut with the Broncos. Some have said his lack of height was his main, uh, "booger-boo?":(

He had become a fan favorite in Denver during pre-season. Too bad because he is a real nice guy. His brother is still with the Broncos. Have no idea if Kennedy has been picked up by any other team.

Our ex linebacker (Cody Spencer) from last year's team has been picked up by the Tennessee Titans and will rejoin fellow ex Mean Green LB buddy Brad Kassell. He had originally been drafted by the Oakland Ra'da's in last Spring's NFL draft.

MeanGreenGem wrote:A belated congrats on your win against San Jose State.

I suppose we will get one in due time. Jeez!?!?!?

So will it be the Safeway parking lot now?

"If losing builds character, what the hell does winning do?"

You better rally the troups Gem... 15,803 for the first home game, and now an 0-4 record.

Get it in gear, or you'll be joining San Jose State in the Big West Conference next year.

You better rally the troups Gem... 15,803 for the first home game, and now an 0-4 record.

Get it in gear, or you'll be joining San Jose State in the Big West Conference next year.[/quote]
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No westward ho' the wagons for us at UNT.

If all of us based our futures on a handful of games (or seasons) I suppose none of us would have any futures at all, eh?.

$40 million being spent at Eagle Point for construction (with some of it already completed) sorta' says we (like most Texas D1-A schools) have bigger fish to fry in our future with much growth directly tied to UNT as part of the equation. Stay tuned.....................

[You better rally the troups Gem... 15,803 for the first home game, and now an 0-4 record.[/quote]
Is that accurate? If so, UNT is in worse shape to go on NCAA Div 1 double secret probation than is SMU. That is saying something.

jtstang wrote:[You better rally the troups Gem... 15,803 for the first home game, and now an 0-4 record.

Is that accurate? If so, UNT is in worse shape to go on NCAA Div 1 double secret probation than is SMU. That is saying something.[/quote]
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Our attendance sucks because we've still only had about 2 more winning seasons than SMU in the last umpteen years. This is the Metroplex where fans love you only if you are winning and beat somebody they know.

12 years in D1-AA cost us a generation of fans, but each Fall enrollment at UNT we have record breaking frosh classes who are seeing more winning than previous freshmen classes.

When you have about 6,000 new freshmen each Fall, you can sure start building a pretty solid fan base from those numbers and our student attendance (to quote a UH acquaintance of mine) is very impressive.

I suppose UNT could also get (most liberally) creative with attendance numbers in its Sunday AM boxscore, too, but seems to have never had the propensity to do that in years past.

Quite frankly, it seems the NCAA is backing off their attendance criteria because it appears to be highly unenforceable with their limited staff and a legal counsel from another board said it may have problems in that area as well.

A rumor going around is that the NCAA will eventually require D1-A schools to merely have a minimum number of scholarships that 99.9% of present D1-AA schools would not be able to match if they were thinking of making the next step up to D1-A.

I know you take everything you read on one of these boards as gospel, like the CUSA vendetta against UNT lead by Turner, but unless you read something from an official source, I'd be concerned. The attendance requirement is a brand new rule for this year, and I bet the enforcment guys are itching to take it out for a spin.

As for legal counsel from another board, consider the source. Everyone knows lawyers are idiots. Oh, and the NCAA does not typically lose in court on membership issues.

jtstang wrote:I know you take everything you read on one of these boards as gospel, like the CUSA vendetta against UNT lead by Turner, but unless you read something from an official source, I'd be concerned. The attendance requirement is a brand new rule for this year, and I bet the enforcment guys are itching to take it out for a spin.

As for legal counsel from another board, consider the source. Everyone knows lawyers are idiots. Oh, and the NCAA does not typically lose in court on membership issues.

You brought it up, but I believe our sources were true about Turner except he did his deed with the camouflage of 3 other private CUSA schools that he did his politickin' with to insure that UNT would be blackballed from CUSA but what the hell, who is to say that CUSA would be a conference we'd even want to be in in 5 years since about 3 of its private schools have already entertained the idea of dropping football? Also, lest anyone forget, UNT has already beaten the CUSA FB champion in a bowl game 2 years ago so can anyone say, uh, "lateral move?"

I'd say there are a number of schools in the non BCS that if their future home schedules do not have at least one or two regional marquee names (along with their traveling fans) on their schedule would most likely be walking the tight rope as far as reaching the 15K per home game average.

Because just think how during such a season how the last 2 or 3 home games of real butts in seats against non BCS conference foes during a losing season can wipe out any decent home attendance numbers that a Tech or Baylor would create at the beginning of such a season?

IMO, a school that is smart enough to duplicate some semblance of a promotion's program such as your ex AD Russ Pott's put in place at SMU in the late 70's/early 80's should not have any problems with 15K per home game. (Also, as a youth I once went to a UHouston Band Day in the Astrodome that had close to 14,000 bandsmen).

Those schools who are creative with their football promotions should have no problems with meeting the present attendance criteria. Even if a school misses the 15K one season, said school has the next season to right that wrong. What D1-A program wouldn't do that that has some semblance of a fan base to draw the appropriate numbers?

Well then if you think it will be easy to "right the wrong" next season while your team is on restricted member status, then I guess you have nothing to concern yourself with this year. Seriously man, if your 0-4 with just 800 to spare in your only home game, you're not walking, your hanging on to the tightrope with your teeth. I think SMU is on the bubble, and UNT is worse off than that.

And yeah, I guess you're right. Going from the Sunbelt to C-USA would be a bad move for NT, so I guess you all owe Turner a debt of gratitude after all. In fact, you should fire all NT personnel who ever advocated such idiocy. Now you all can look forward to the next opening in the Big 12 or SEC. Good luck.

jtstang wrote:Well then if you think it will be easy to "right the wrong" next season while your team is on restricted member status, then I guess you have nothing to concern yourself with this year. Seriously man, if your 0-4 with just 800 to spare in your only home game, you're not walking, your hanging on to the tightrope with your teeth. I think SMU is on the bubble, and UNT is worse off than that.

And yeah, I guess you're right. Going from the Sunbelt to C-USA would be a bad move for NT, so I guess you all owe Turner a debt of gratitude after all. In fact, you should fire all NT personnel who ever advocated such idiocy. Now you all can look forward to the next opening in the Big 12 or SEC. Good luck.

So nice to read of your concern for our progam. But to be honest, I am not worried about our attendance any year because the official SMU Mustang atttendance counter has been commissioned by our Chancellor (and SMU grad) to go on our payroll just in case. We also think the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board's projection of 43,000 students for UNT in the next 10 years might also help out just a bit because such things as that usually do; you know, as in it's a numbers game? As they say on GoMeanGreen.com-----It's All Good & It's All Green!

And good luck to you, too.


(Jeez! This thread did begin with a congrats for a win, didn't it)? LOL!

Personally, I would love to have NT on the schedule for both of our programs benefit. The travel would be nil and the fans, while smaller than at former SWC foes would attend in higher numbers. This type of rivalry would be able to draw better than any out of state groups (less Arkansas, OU or OSU). When does the new stadium open at NT?