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Just curious. Does anyone know what our current average SAT score is for regular incoming freshman? Also, what is the minimum score for athletic recruits at SMU? And finally, what are typical athletic recruiting academic standards at Texas, Texas A&M vs. Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt etc. How much if any adjustments have been made since the "Pye model." I know at some point last season Copeland and Bennett talked about trying to reduce those standards for the obligatory "level playing field."

I know this has been a topic before, but I am still fairly new to the board.

Thanks!

carolina stang wrote:Just curious. Does anyone know what our current average SAT score is for regular incoming freshman? Also, what is the minimum score for athletic recruits at SMU? And finally, what are typical athletic recruiting academic standards at Texas, Texas A&M vs. Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt etc. How much if any adjustments have been made since the "Pye model." I know at some point last season Copeland and Bennett talked about trying to reduce those standards for the obligatory "level playing field."

I know this has been a topic before, but I am still fairly new to the board.

Thanks!

Based on what Ive read, A$M has one simple rule:

[1] MANDATORY: no previous felony convictions.

Pending litigation does NOT forbid any 4.4 sprinter and/or 300+ lineman from attending Franchione's 'MiamiU on the Brazos' FB team, regardless of gpa or SAT!

Student-Athlete Initial Eligibility Requirements

Division I Institutions - Freshman Academic Requirements:

An entering freshman with no previous full-time college attendance must meet the following academic requirements, as certified by the NCAA Initial-Eligibility Clearinghouse, in order to be considered a QUALIFIER and thus be eligible for financial aid, practice and competition during the first academic year in residence.

I. A high school graduate and...

II. A minimum cumulative grade-point average in a successfully completed core curriculum of at least 13 academic courses including the following:

• English -- 4 years
• Mathematics [one year of algebra and one year of geometry (or one year of a higher-level mathematics course for which geometry is a prerequisite)] -- 2 years
• Natural or Physical Science (including at least one laboratory course, if offered)--2 years
• Additional courses in English, mathematics, or natural or physical science --1 year
• Social science -- 2 years
• Additional Academic courses [in any of the above areas or foreign language, computer science, philosophy, or nondoctrinal religion (e.g., comparative religion)]--2 years

III. A required score on the ACT or SAT tests along with an appropriate Core GPA. The Initial-Eligibility Index for qualifiers and partial-qualifiers is available in the academic portion of the NCAA Guide for College Bound Students.



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NCAA Eligibility Regulations

For more information about the various NCAA Eligibility Regulations, visit the NCAA at http://www.NCAA.org/eligibility/ . Information is available on the following topics:

• Initial Eligibility Facts
• Home Schooling
• Learning Disabilities
• Foriegn Students
• General Information
• SA Reinstatement



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Southern Methodist University - Freshman Academic Requirements:

In addition, it is important to note that Southern Methodist University may have more stringent admission standards than the guidelines provided by the NCAA. For more information on the specifics of the SMU's Admission Standards, browse the following sites:


First-Year Admission Criteria.
Selection of applicants is based on several criteria: high school curriculum, classroom performance, grade pattern, rank in class (if applicable), SAT I and/or ACT scores, counselor recommendation, essay, and extracurricular activities. Although no specific cutoff is applied to any single measure, a student who has accomplished both a strong academic record and exhibited a variety of academic and personal interests gains the most from the SMU experience. Matriculation to the University is contingent upon completion of the high school diploma. As an independent institution, SMU has no limits on enrollment based solely on geography, and no distinctions in tuition, fees, or other costs based on the home state of the student.

No one that I've seen has expressed a real understanding what the minimum SAT of recruits who are likely to be admitted over the last 3-4 years at SMU-I sense after following the issue for years that it has moved substantially toward the minimum SAT requirements for the NCAA-although that information is not generally released. The following differences between SMU and its competitors have remained in the last few years including

1) SMU requires additional "core" courses than required by the NCAA; 2) SMU as far as I know has admitted only one late qualifier(between signing date and August 1-this isn't public information but if the recruit is high profile it becomes pretty common knowledge. TCU for example signed I believe 6 late qualifiers last year almost all outstanding prospects and 4 actually became qualified by August 1 and were admitted; 3) as confirmed last week during Phil Bennett's news conference SMU is recruiting from a much smaller slice of the JUCO/CC pie because the recruit is required to be admitted to a specific field of curriculm: 4) SMU has rarely allowed Division 1A transfers and when recruits have considered transferring a very large % of their courses were not accepted by SMU making them non-competitive in that market. SMU has even lost players from Northwestern and to Gonzaga partly due to this reason; 5) SMU has only recently added a School of Education - the importance of which is not yet fully understood. Most schools in the NCAA including prominent schools such as Rice offer a less rigourous department such as physical education, kineosiology etc in which a large percentage of athletes participate; 6) I have been told by a prominent member of the athletic department who definitely would know that one of our greatest disadvantages is that when a recruit makes a bad score or grade they can often retake the course or test and be admitted based on the retaken score or course while SMU requires that such grades or scores be averaged. This may make the difference between qualification and non-qualification.
Those are the major issues in the debate-I don't have inside information on the admission process but I follow recruiting close enough to identify the issues. Very few of out natural and traditional rivals handicap entrance to their schools in the foregoing respects although there are exceptions. Most schools we compete against allow just about every athlete who meets minimum NCAA admission standards whether they be freshman, JUCOs or Division 1A transfers. If Professor X oe Xtc or anybody else wishes to add more info or clarrifications on these issues please feel free.

Thanks Stallion and everyone else. It's obviously tough to get our arms around the specific guidelines but a good overview. Suffice to say, most of the time we're at a real disadvantage.

Stallion, I can't tell you how long I have wanted you to post this. Thank you.

Regarding #6 I know that for regular students SMU will take the highest SAT score no matter how often you take it. In fact they will take the highest individual score from different test dates. For instance let's say you made a 1200 in March but a 1400 in June they will take the 1400. If your verbal was higher in March they take that score instead of the June score and combine it with the higher Math score in June.

As far as averaging grades, I think it has to do with athletes repeating classes. Let's say he made an F in differential equations and repeated it and got a C. The average is a D and the grade that counts.

But for regular students do they average repeated classes or do they use the higher grade? I suspect that not many regular students would get admitted who flunked a course in high school, unless it was an AP course.