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by **me@smu** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:29 am

Found this on Alabama online, just hurts to think about:

Auburn tops in infractions -- Perhaps the Auburn fans were unable to finish reading the article exposing the scandal at their school which stated that Auburn has been cited by the NCAA for seven major infractions -- the most of any university in the Southeastern Conference and among the most in the nation. Did someone mention bricks and glass houses? Editor's note: Auburn leads the SEC with seven major NCAA infractions; only Arizona State and SMU (eight each) have more nationally. Following Auburn in the SEC are Georgia (6), Kentucky 6), Mississippi State (5), Alabama (4), Florida (4), South Carolina (4), Arkansas (3), Ole Miss (3), LSU (2), Tennessee (2) and Vanderbilt (1).

by **mrydel** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:39 am

But I bet that if any SEC team were to get the DP (it will not happen) it would be Vanderbilt.

by **smu diamond m** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:30 am

mrydel wrote:But I bet that if any SEC team were to get the DP (it will not happen) it would be Vanderbilt.

They aren't paying the right people

by **ponyte** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:10 am

All this shows is how clean the SEC is. :roll:

by **jtstang** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:31 am

Four of those major infractions by SMU occurred during the period from 1974 through 1985, just before the NCAA imposed the death penalty for a slush fund which was implemented with the knowledge, approval and participation of the Governor of Texas. People like mr. pony can whine about the preferential treatment given to the Alabamas and Notre Dames of the world, but nobody else has a major infraction record like that in that time short of a time period. SMU asked to be punished hard and got what it asked for.

by **Stallion** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:03 am

actually I believe there were 5 probations from 1972-1986. Anyway each time the university just swept things under the rug and went right on doing what it had been doing. Perhaps if more jtstang's had been around during that time period the mess might actually have been cleaned after the 3 or 4th probation. I am really shocked that at SMU there has not been more people like jtstang calling for a full disclosure of the violations. You know this may be where our exemption from the Freedom of Information Act might actually hurt us.

by **jtstang** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:06 am

You are right, but the 1986 violation resulted in the death penalty being issued in 1987, per the NCAA database. I was just counting up to that one to try to make a point about the preceding penalties, which had every bit as much to do with the death penalty being handed down as the slush fund itself.

by **me@smu** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:18 am

I think despite our sunshining about how unfair it was...there isn't anyone on this board that really believes that we didn't get our just reward for our arrogance when dealing with the earlier sanctions. The question though remains, were we infact cheating any worse than anyone else or were we just worse at it and kept getting caught?

Removing the DP from the equation, is the NCAA more likely to severly sanction a smaller school than a bigger one?

Just a couple of questions for the masses.

by **jtstang** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:49 am

me@smu wrote:I think despite our sunshining about how unfair it was...there isn't anyone on this board that really believes that we didn't get our just reward for our arrogance when dealing with the earlier sanctions.

You're wrong. mr. pony thinks exactly that, except rather than focus on SMU's conduct, he just complains that nobody else has gotten it, so I can understand the confusion. I know there are others, but nobody comes to mind right now. Roll call, people!

by **mrydel** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:33 pm

jtstang wrote:
me@smu wrote:I think despite our sunshining about how unfair it was...there isn't anyone on this board that really believes that we didn't get our just reward for our arrogance when dealing with the earlier sanctions.

You're wrong. mr. pony thinks exactly that, except rather than focus on SMU's conduct, he just complains that nobody else has gotten it, so I can understand the confusion. I know there are others, but nobody comes to mind right now. Roll call, people!

Let's just say that in a certain context we can still shout..."We're Number 1!"

by **GoRedGoBlue** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:37 pm

jtstang wrote:Four of those major infractions by SMU occurred during the period from 1974 through 1985, just before the NCAA imposed the death penalty for a slush fund which was implemented with the knowledge, approval and participation of the Governor of Texas. People like mr. pony can whine about the preferential treatment given to the Alabamas and Notre Dames of the world, but nobody else has a major infraction record like that in that time short of a time period. SMU asked to be punished hard and got what it asked for.

Florida admitted to more than SMU was found guilty of...they dropped from the Top 20 for a few weeks the next season.

by **jtstang** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:53 pm

GoRedGoBlue wrote:Florida admitted to more than SMU was found guilty of...they dropped from the Top 20 for a few weeks the next season.

I looked at all four Florida reports on the major infractions database. I see nothing that comes close to SMU's 12-year run of violations.

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