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The NCAA permanently destroyed SMU. Not just football, but mens basketball was also effected by the NCAA hammer. I think most pony faithful would agree with that.
Just as the college football landscape was dramatically changing, conference realignments and BCS BS, SMU was reduced to begging to be included somewhere (anywhere). SMU will probably never again figure prominently, as far as nationally. Even UNBEATEN Boise St. barely cracked the BCS.
SMU needs to lawyer up and sue the NCAA for compensation from the irrepairable damage their over-the-top penalalties caused. The NCAA has even stated that the "Death Penalty" will never be used again because it is just too harsh. Man, that's grounds enough for me. Who's with me?

Oh Geez.

Glenn Sosbee wrote:The NCAA permanently destroyed SMU. Not just football, but mens basketball was also effected by the NCAA hammer. I think most pony faithful would agree with that.
Just as the college football landscape was dramatically changing, conference realignments and BCS BS, SMU was reduced to begging to be included somewhere (anywhere). SMU will probably never again figure prominently, as far as nationally. Even UNBEATEN Boise St. barely cracked the BCS.
SMU needs to lawyer up and sue the NCAA for compensation from the irrepairable damage their over-the-top penalalties caused. The NCAA has even stated that the "Death Penalty" will never be used again because it is just too harsh. Man, that's grounds enough for me. Who's with me?

wow

GIVE IT UP PEOPLE!

the death penalty had NOTHING to do with not getting into the goalline twice on 1st and 1.

What a joke

Glenn Sosbee wrote:The NCAA permanently destroyed SMU. Not just football, but mens basketball was also effected by the NCAA hammer. I think most pony faithful would agree with that.
Just as the college football landscape was dramatically changing, conference realignments and BCS BS, SMU was reduced to begging to be included somewhere (anywhere). SMU will probably never again figure prominently, as far as nationally. Even UNBEATEN Boise St. barely cracked the BCS.
SMU needs to lawyer up and sue the NCAA for compensation from the irrepairable damage their over-the-top penalalties caused. The NCAA has even stated that the "Death Penalty" will never be used again because it is just too harsh. Man, that's grounds enough for me. Who's with me?

Go back under your rock.

Let's put this into perspective. Does anyone on this board believe that if UT, or Ohio State, or Texas A&M, or Penn State, or USC, or .....insert major college program here....had received the death penalty at any time that it would have taken more than 5 years maximum to recover and be competitive? My goodness folks, the death penalty is being used as a crutch for those that will not accept that SMU has not dedicated itself to winning at a major college level. Improvements have been made but there is still a long way to go and it is not because of the death penalty, it is because of the lack of dedciation to have a winner.

Funny, I thought I smelled something.

mrydel wrote:Let's put this into perspective. Does anyone on this board believe that if UT, or Ohio State, or Texas A&M, or Penn State, or USC, or .....insert major college program here....had received the death penalty at any time that it would have taken more than 5 years maximum to recover and be competitive? My goodness folks, the death penalty is being used as a crutch for those that will not accept that SMU has not dedicated itself to winning at a major college level. Improvements have been made but there is still a long way to go and it is not because of the death penalty, it is because of the lack of dedciation to have a winner.

That's my point, we'll never know how fast another program would recover. It will never be used again. The apathy here is mind boggling.

I agree that the death penalty is not the reason we are not competitive right now. The only thing I can see it changing is the conference we are in. Not to say we would have been in the Big 12, although who knows. If we were a top rated football program when the SWC fell there may have been a chance we would be picked over Baylor. I am not quite sure though.

The death penalty should not be an excuse anymore. We need to learn to compete in the C-USA. That starts with recruiting, which last I checked, we are located in a pretty good state and city to have an edge....not to mention campus and facilities.

Lower the standards for admissions for athletes and we will be in the top of the C-USA almost immediately.

stobor wrote:I agree that the death penalty is not the reason we are not competitive right now. The only thing I can see it changing is the conference we are in. Not to say we would have been in the Big 12, although who knows. If we were a top rated football program when the SWC fell there may have been a chance we would be picked over Baylor. I am not quite sure though.

The death penalty should not be an excuse anymore. We need to learn to compete in the C-USA. That starts with recruiting, which last I checked, we are located in a pretty good state and city to have an edge....not to mention campus and facilities.

Lower the standards for admissions for athletes and we will be in the top of the C-USA almost immediately.

Do you have multiple personalties or did you intend to totally contradict yourself within your post? First, you say that the death penalty is holding us down and keeping us from being competitive. You say the only way to fix that is switching conferences. Then, you say that the death penalty shouldn't be an excuse and we need to learn how to compete in C-USA (which we are already doing).

Sosbee has a point - one I have made before. It's not making excuses, but simply pointing out some facts.

myrdel says if Texas or some other big school had received the death penalty- stop right there - that's the point. There is no way in h#ll that would have ever happened.

I agree we should be compensated for damages. It was a greatest injustice ever handed down by the NCAA. Local longtime DFW columnist and ESPN radio host Randy GAlloway has always maintained that.

People want to drop it? Why? The injustice has not been corrected.

And it's not about whether or not we have "recovered" in wins and losses.

We lost millions - MILLIONS - of dollars - and still do to this day because of a penalty that had never been used and will never be used again - because of its annihilating effects.

It was wrong - I don't care if we'd gone 12-0 the last five years.

mr. pony wrote:Sosbee has a point - one I have made before. It's not making excuses, but simply pointing out some facts.

myrdel says if Texas or some other big school had received the death penalty- stop right there - that's the point. There is no way in h#ll that would have ever happened.

I agree we should be compensated for damages. It was a greatest injustice ever handed down by the NCAA. Local longtime DFW columnist and ESPN radio host Randy GAlloway has always maintained that.

People want to drop it? Why? The injustice has not been corrected.

and it never will. Do you REALLY think the NCAA will all of a sudden give us some compensation of some sort after all these years? Are you serious????? Keep beeting the Death Penalty horse dead and blame it for our problems all you want, but the fact of the matter is that it has nothing to do with our current problems!

They should have made an exemption that if athletes wanted to transfer to SMU they would NOT have to sit out 1 year. This would have helped bring in more JUCO's initially. Yeah I know , the admission requirements were a joke too.

Glenn Sosbee wrote:The NCAA permanently destroyed SMU. Not just football, but mens basketball was also effected by the NCAA hammer. I think most pony faithful would agree with that.
Just as the college football landscape was dramatically changing, conference realignments and BCS BS, SMU was reduced to begging to be included somewhere (anywhere). SMU will probably never again figure prominently, as far as nationally. Even UNBEATEN Boise St. barely cracked the BCS.
SMU needs to lawyer up and sue the NCAA for compensation from the irrepairable damage their over-the-top penalalties caused. The NCAA has even stated that the "Death Penalty" will never be used again because it is just too harsh. Man, that's grounds enough for me. Who's with me?

I am all for suing the NCAA, I hate those bastards. That being said....

THE DEATH PENALTY IS NOT THE CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS

I won't even charge for this advice. Any conceivable lawsuit against the NCAA is barred by the statute of limitations and the failure of SMU to exhaust its administrative remedies since SMU never appealed the Death Penalty. It is absurd argument