Big Ten vs. SEC (closing arguments)

[J.T.supporta]

Big Ten ~ 2-5 in bowl games. SEC ~ 6-3 in bowl games.

Big Tens 2 bowl wins came against Arkansas and Tennessee of the SEC.

SEC defeats Big Ten for National Title game.

SEC definitly was the better conference this year.

When it comes to looking at the 2007 season, I'd take Florida with Tebow and Harvin over Michigan with Henne and Hart.

[Stallion]

There is a reason the Big 10 is 11-25 in the Rose Bowl since 1968. SPEED Kills. Couldn't be more obvious tonite-and I mean speed at all 22 positions. The best athletes are in the South and West Coast. Big 10 generally has no answer. Embarrassed in both the National Championship and the Rose Bowl for a Double-Dip.

[Stallion]

Since 1980, Southern teams have won 14 National Championship plus two shared championships. Southern Cal has won 1 1/2 National Championships, Nebraska 2, Colorado 1, Penn St. 1 and stole a Championship from SMU, and Ohio St. 1 Michigan 1. and Notre Dame 1. BYU 1/2, Washington 1/2. The best athletes are in the South and West Coast. Its all about recruiting the best athletes.

[mustangbill67]

It feels so good to see both Michigan and Ohio State fall in the way they did. Big 10 is so over rated year in and year out. Chalk that up to the northern media.

[me@smu]

This was just an embarassment for the Big 10. Their two super teams blown out incredibly easily.

[michiganstang]

It feels so good to see both Michigan and Ohio State fall in the way they did. Big 10 is so over rated year in and year out. Chalk that up to the northern media.

I think every part of the country thinks every other part has the media in it's pocket. I would certainly say, for my part, that the B10 is not anymore consistently overrated than anyother BCS conference; everyone and their brother (except Big10 fan) felt this was a down year for the B10 - and so it was.

I would challenge the idea that the media pushes the B10; what is this northen media anyway - last I checked the corridors of power in that industry do not stream through the Upper Great Lakes. Trust me, where I am from we love seeing Oklahoma/Texas or the Florida teams get beat because it feels like the (southern? ) media pushes them on us.

[me@smu]

Bias or not...point is that the media played up Ohio State and Michigan as being the two best teams this year. Both were beaten badly and it all became rather a joke. Next year the media will bolster someone else up as being the best.

[PhirePhilBennett]

Bias or not...point is that the media played up Ohio State and Michigan as being the two best teams this year. Both were beaten badly and it all became rather a joke. Next year the media will bolster someone else up as being the best.

Here's what they do EVERY year...the Big10 plays almost nobody in non-conference (with a FEW big games, like Michigan v. ND).

They always over vote their middle teams (see IOWA this year as high as #12 or so) so that when their SUPER teams like Michigan play them and WIN, well...that just SHOWS that Michigan is REALLY REALLY good...

But, Iowa didn't play anyone to deserve that ranking, and as you will recall, ND was #2 when they played - now, what in god's green earth has ND done in the past 3 years to deserve a #2 ranking?

This year, they lost 3 games, all by BLOW-OUT - not even competitive.

They had to come from behind against an average UCLA team (7-5) with an inexperienced head coach, and had the miraculous barely a victory over Michigan State (a BAD Big10 team), but, yet, they are #2?

So, again, the media votes up the Big10 opponent so that when they play, the Big10 gets 'extra' credit for a win.

Stallion points out that they are 11 and 25 or so in the past Rose Bowls, and we all know that the Pac10 has been rather weak in the past 15 years (save USC in the past 3-4).

The big10 is a fraud conference: 6 teams with losing records, and their top teams don't even play all of the top conference teams - Ohio State ONLY played Michigan and Penn State, not Purdue or Wisconsin.

Wisconsin only has 1 loss but failed to play Ohio State...where as SEC/ACC/Big12 teams with 1 loss may well have had to play the other division, and would lose a second time - Yet, wisc gets immunized and is supposedly 'better'? (example: if Florida would have lost their conference champ game - wisc would be ranked ahead of them).

[mrydel]

I find it hard to comprehend how we define any BCS conferences as crappy. If I had to come up with a definition of a crappy BCS conference it would be one that had to include SMU in order to strengthen their standing. Until we can improve to get on a level with at least schools like Baylor, Vanderbilt, etc. we need to put the stones back in our pockets. That said, the Big 10+1 sure does suck.

[me@smu]

Here's what they do EVERY year...the Big10 plays almost nobody in non-conference (with a FEW big games, like Michigan v. ND).

The trouble with claiming this as only a Big 10 bias is that every conference outside of the SEC does essentially the same thing. Every major conference outside of the SEC has their football haves and have nots.

Every football power has an out of conference schedule that mirrors each other...1 "stretch game" 1-2 50/50s and 1 guarantee...

The bias is not conference specific as it is the inability to shuffle the preseason without losses occuring.

[RGV Pony]

There is a reason the Big 10 is 11-25 in the Rose Bowl since 1968. SPEED Kills. Couldn't be more obvious tonite-and I mean speed at all 22 positions. The best athletes are in the South and West Coast. Big 10 generally has no answer. Embarrassed in both the National Championship and the Rose Bowl for a Double-Dip.

You could add embarrassed in the Sugar Bowl too. Notre Dame isn't big Teneleven, but has essentially the same recruiting area and geography. Also why Notre Dame has a loooong bowl losing streak: the haven't recruited nationally as well since Lou Holtz, meaning they're putting essentially a big 10eleven team on the field.

disclaimer: I'd happily [deleted] about a long bowl losing streak for SMU, if we had one.

[bubba pony]

the Big East seems to be the best conference

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16343161/


someone did the work for us.

[J.T.supporta]

Yea 5-0 in bowl games and 3 teams ranked in the top 15 aint bad for the Big East