Recruiting and Academic Standards

[Cadillac]

I know that it looks like this should go over in Recruiting, but I think it's a bit broader than all that.

As I've said before, I'm new to all of this. So I know that some of this has probably been covered ad Nauseam, but bear with me, I'm too stupid to get the search function to work.

Has SMU had academic policies in place that have a negative effect on recruiting? If so, what have they been? I'm just trying to get caught up here.

-CoS

[LonghornFan68]

If I'm not mistaken until a few years ago you had to be accepted to the school before being able to join a sports team. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[KnuckleStang]

Worse. You had to be accepted into the school before you could come for an official VISIT. I think others know more about this...

[PhirePhilBennett]

I know that it looks like this should go over in Recruiting, but I think it's a bit broader than all that.

As I've said before, I'm new to all of this. So I know that some of this has probably been covered ad Nauseam, but bear with me, I'm too stupid to get the search function to work.

Has SMU had academic policies in place that have a negative effect on recruiting? If so, what have they been? I'm just trying to get caught up here.

-CoS

Post-DP, the new policy was to have a "likelihood of graduation" for an athlete to be admitted to the University. Once admitted, they could take an official visit. The admissions review board determined whether you had a likelihood of graduation.

Now, you cannot be accepted until you pass your SATs, which I believe most highschoolers take in the Fall...with results in Jan...a little late to be taking official visits.

Since that time, the academic 'requirements' for being considered for admission have been relaxed, and the procedures (being admitted before offical visit) also relaxed.

However, only UNTIL last year did they have PRIORITY REGISTRATION for athletes - a near requirement in order to keep your athletes practicing together.

[EastStang]

They also don't have athlete friendly majors and transfers face losing a ton of hours. The most egregious example was a QB was thinking of transfering from Northwestern and would have lost like half of his hours. We're talking about Northwestern not North Texas State. So there are still issues to be resolved.

Stallion has even more examples, but generally speaking with the rules cited by others above, we generally couldn't even talk to players until January and by then they were going elsewhere. No wonder Forrest Gregg quit.

[OC Mustang]

They also don't have athlete friendly majors and transfers face losing a ton of hours. The most egregious example was a QB was thinking of transfering from Northwestern and would have lost like half of his hours. We're talking about Northwestern not North Texas State. So there are still issues to be resolved.

Stallion has even more examples, but generally speaking with the rules cited by others above, we generally couldn't even talk to players until January and by then they were going elsewhere. No wonder Forrest Gregg quit.

Gregg got gently nudged out. He was made AD, a natural progression for him career-wise from football coach. As AD, he was particularly not so good at budgets. He eventually took over for a Shreveport LA expansion football team (never really got off the ground).

He was fantastic coach. He could move those guys to do stuff that they had no business being able to do (and we still got spanked until 1991 or 92, as I recall).

[PhirePhilBennett]

They also don't have athlete friendly majors and transfers face losing a ton of hours. The most egregious example was a QB was thinking of transfering from Northwestern and would have lost like half of his hours. We're talking about Northwestern not North Texas State. So there are still issues to be resolved.

Stallion has even more examples, but generally speaking with the rules cited by others above, we generally couldn't even talk to players until January and by then they were going elsewhere. No wonder Forrest Gregg quit.

When PYE created the 'triple concentration' for the SMU curriculum, he tried to kill most of Engineering, but was successful at killing P.E.

I don't know when (or if we ever had) teacher certification was killed off, but that has just recently been re-implemented, so that people can take History / English / Math / etc. and become 'certified' to be teachers...

This creats other reasonably athletic-friendly majors, that is, one that an athlete who wanted to be a 'coach' after graduation might consider -

Before that, athletes would have to graduate from SMU, and then enter an 'alternative' certification program like in DISD, or HISD (don't know if smaller districts have these programs) if they wanted to teach/coach.

Prior to this teacher cert., all they had was PR or some such...and you gots to be able to spelt good for those, and if you cants, you have to go to the Derek Zoolander Center for Athletes that Can't Read Good.