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How about this scenario for SMU joining the Big 12:

* Hire name FB coach that turns program into a consistent winner. A TCU look alike.

* Doh gets us to the tournament.
* SMU soccer, swimming, golf continue to excel.

*Colorado and Utah bolt for Pac 10 so they can create a 2 division league. There fans are more "west coast", wine drinking types,

* Big 12 looks at:
Arkansas: Leave the SEC - no way.
Colorado State: a CU wannabe.
TCU: Could be. But weak in every sport but FB.
Rice: No way. Too far gone.
Iowa: No way they leave the Big 10
SMU: Hmmm.

Pony81 wrote:How about this scenario for SMU joining the Big 12:

* Hire name FB coach that turns program into a consistent winner. A TCU look alike.

Just as long as we don't have to wear that dreadful purple color.

Pony81 wrote:How about this scenario for SMU joining the Big 12:

* Hire name FB coach that turns program into a consistent winner. A TCU look alike.

* Doh gets us to the tournament.
* SMU soccer, swimming, golf continue to excel.

*Colorado and Utah bolt for Pac 10 so they can create a 2 division league. There fans are more "west coast", wine drinking types,

* Big 12 looks at:
Arkansas: Leave the SEC - no way.
Colorado State: a CU wannabe.
TCU: Could be. But weak in every sport but FB.
Rice: No way. Too far gone.
Iowa: No way they leave the Big 10
SMU: Hmmm.

i like the rationale, i wouldnt mind a move to the big 12. just gotta start winning championships in football and basketball

jkflamebo wrote:

Pony81 wrote:How about this scenario for SMU joining the Big 12:

* Hire name FB coach that turns program into a consistent winner. A TCU look alike.

* Doh gets us to the tournament.
* SMU soccer, swimming, golf continue to excel.

*Colorado and Utah bolt for Pac 10 so they can create a 2 division league. There fans are more "west coast", wine drinking types,

* Big 12 looks at:
Arkansas: Leave the SEC - no way.
Colorado State: a CU wannabe.
TCU: Could be. But weak in every sport but FB.
Rice: No way. Too far gone.
Iowa: No way they leave the Big 10
SMU: Hmmm.

i like the rationale, i wouldnt mind a move to the big 12. just gotta start winning championships in football and basketball

Winning is the first step, but the crowds have to follow. Unless we fill the stadium on a regular basis, it will never happen.

To understand how the the BCS-BS "cartel" operates is to understand that this will NEVER, EVER happen.

The BCS is doomed. It's blatantly unfair.

The Big 2 has the Dallas/Fort Worth area audience/recruiting/fanbase already. There is no need to get another Texas team in the Big 2. It adds nothing to the TV audience or lure of the conference. The SEC might be interested, though. It gives the conference a team in one of the largest metropolitan area in the nation. It increases the potential SEC audience and it expands the recruiting pool.

We have no love for teams in the Big 2. I think of former SWC teams as lovers that dumped us. Time to start a new relationship with a different entity...the SEC.

Folks, get real. SMU is lucky to still be in the CUSA with our attendance woes. Even in the great 80's, our fan base was not that big. Unless UT Arkansas, A&M, or maybe Tech came to Dalals, we got squat. We can challenge like TCU, Boliser State, or Utah have done, and all that will happen is that our coach will be hired away for $2 mil by some BCS school. We are stuck at mid-level until a class action suit is won against the NCAA.

Sam I Am wrote:Folks, get real. SMU is lucky to still be in the CUSA with our attendance woes. Even in the great 80's, our fan base was not that big. Unless UT Arkansas, A&M, or maybe Tech came to Dalals, we got squat. We can challenge like TCU, Boliser State, or Utah have done, and all that will happen is that our coach will be hired away for $2 mil by some BCS school. We are stuck at mid-level until a class action suit is won against the NCAA.

Here is a better idea. If SMU can get it's act together, Come over to the Pac 12-16. No more far fetched than the WAC/MW/BIG EAST. Teams that constantly beat the Big 12, Big 10, etc. In the 80's SMU was getting around 50-60 thousand per game. Of course Dallas was losing to SF and everyone else. Actually SMU should look to the Cowboy's for some help. Dalllas has for some reason been able to win for a long time. SF and Stanford do have close ties.

mr. pony wrote:The BCS is doomed. It's blatantly unfair.

Might be blatantly unfair, but it's also blatantly lucrative, and those institutions cashing the monster checks aren't going to relinquish that control any time soon.

ponyte wrote:Time to start a new relationship with a different entity...the SEC.

you mean that you would rather see us in the sec than big 12? i see a few problems:

1. we are not in the southeast
2. we would become the next vanderbilt, aka the conference's punching bag (i know they've been better in recent years)

NavyCrimson wrote:To understand how the the BCS-BS "cartel" operates is to understand that this will NEVER, EVER happen.

I will be around for a while. After this hire, SMU should move to the PAC. USC, ASU, CAL, Ore.

QuikSStang wrote:

ponyte wrote:Time to start a new relationship with a different entity...the SEC.

you mean that you would rather see us in the sec than big 12? i see a few problems:

1. we are not in the southeast
2. we would become the next vanderbilt, aka the conference's punching bag (i know they've been better in recent years)

It isn't a matter of what I would rather see. It is a matter of determining our assets that would make us attractive to a BSC conference. The SEC has only one team west of the Mississippi, Arkansas which is a former SWC team. The SEC doesn't have much in the way of attractive teams in the east as far as new audiences to tap. The West is the best and Dallas-Fort Worth is a huge media market.

The issue for a BSC conference is increasing the marketability of the conference. If a punching bag fills that roll, then the conference isn't worried about that. Face it, we may be attractive to the big boys in any conferences as a punching bag and not a threat to challenge their dominance as conference leaders.

I miss the SWC but I don't see where another TX team improves the Big 2's marketability. I can see a SEC improving its marketability by expanding west. And our current president has more connections with the SWC than he does with the Big 2.

Obviously, if we were invited to join any reasonably close BSC conference, our attendance would improve dramatically. Our biggest assets are the market we could bring to a conference and the fact that we are not a threat to the big boys. The SEC seems a better fit in this fantasy world we are currently engaged in about joining a BSC conference.

ponyte wrote:

QuikSStang wrote:

ponyte wrote:

Our biggest assets are the market we could bring to a conference and the fact that we are not a threat to the big boys.

We aren't a threat YET, which is why we are getting a new head coach. Hopefully this will be someone that will help us GET to the next level to make us more desirable to these conferences. However, I would rather stay in the CUSA then go to the SEC or Big 12 and lose EVERY year like we have been doing unless the commitment to WIN at such a level is real and backed up by REAL money. You have to remember that our athletic budget is only approximately $11 to $12 million versus the competition, which is spending upwards of $50 million up to nearly $100 million (Ohio State). Obviously we will have to up our game to be able to compete against the big state schools.

Get things together on this coach thing. Then go to the PAC.