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I usually say don't worry about how other people use their money. Ford has plenty of it to fund whatever he wants. Nonetheless, the pool of money is limited to something like 10mil over 5 years it seems. Here's what I would do. Instead of paying Paul Johnson 1.75 to 2.0mil per year in a bidding war, I would try to bring Turner Gill in for 775k to 1.0 million at the most. Then take part of that "unspent cash" and hire the best defensive coordinator you can find for top dollar. At worst, get a salty guy like Eric Shumman. With the other part of the money, go hire two young absolute stud recruiters. Pay them absolute top dollar for their position. $250-300k apiece would surely do it. Gill could bring the rest of his staff from Buffalo, surely not all would come anyway.

Johnson represents a risk. He has several question marks as it relates to SMU even though he is a great coach. There is risk with Gill as well, I understand. But hiring a great, top dollar staff hedges that risk and could be a huge boost to SMU football and more effective than paying up for the name of the day. SMU needs to figure out what would make it successful and not just follow the herd. Orsini shunned the herd by hiring OLeary at UCF. Do it again and make this work.

Agree 100% that is a viable option. Proposed it two weeks ago with regard to Todd ___ hmm never mind I don't want to read 15 pages of Stallion you are a dumbass-Dodge is an idiot.

Hoop Fan wrote:I usually say don't worry about how other people use their money. Ford has plenty of it to fund whatever he wants. Nonetheless, the pool of money is limited to something like 10mil over 5 years it seems. Here's what I would do. Instead of paying Paul Johnson 1.75 to 2.0mil per year in a bidding war, I would try to bring Turner Gill in for 775k to 1.0 million at the most. Then take part of that "unspent cash" and hire the best defensive coordinator you can find for top dollar. At worst, get a salty guy like Eric Shumman. With the other part of the money, go hire two young absolute stud recruiters. Pay them absolute top dollar for their position. $250-300k apiece would surely do it. Gill could bring the rest of his staff from Buffalo, surely not all would come anyway.

Johnson represents a risk. He has several question marks as it relates to SMU even though he is a great coach. There is risk with Gill as well, I understand. But hiring a great, top dollar staff hedges that risk and could be a huge boost to SMU football and more effective than paying up for the name of the day. SMU needs to figure out what would make it successful and not just follow the herd. Orsini shunned the herd by hiring OLeary at UCF. Do it again and make this work.

Turner Gill isn't a risk?

thefamousguy wrote:

Hoop Fan wrote:I usually say don't worry about how other people use their money. Ford has plenty of it to fund whatever he wants. Nonetheless, the pool of money is limited to something like 10mil over 5 years it seems. Here's what I would do. Instead of paying Paul Johnson 1.75 to 2.0mil per year in a bidding war, I would try to bring Turner Gill in for 775k to 1.0 million at the most. Then take part of that "unspent cash" and hire the best defensive coordinator you can find for top dollar. At worst, get a salty guy like Eric Shumman. With the other part of the money, go hire two young absolute stud recruiters. Pay them absolute top dollar for their position. $250-300k apiece would surely do it. Gill could bring the rest of his staff from Buffalo, surely not all would come anyway.

Johnson represents a risk. He has several question marks as it relates to SMU even though he is a great coach. There is risk with Gill as well, I understand. But hiring a great, top dollar staff hedges that risk and could be a huge boost to SMU football and more effective than paying up for the name of the day. SMU needs to figure out what would make it successful and not just follow the herd. Orsini shunned the herd by hiring OLeary at UCF. Do it again and make this work.

Turner Gill isn't a risk?

geez. read. don't just react. I very clearly said Gill is a risk too, but at less money you can afford to hedge the risk.

Yeah, he's a risk and then we can can him after two years if he bombs at that price. That will go over well.

thefamousguy wrote:

Hoop Fan wrote:I usually say don't worry about how other people use their money. Ford has plenty of it to fund whatever he wants. Nonetheless, the pool of money is limited to something like 10mil over 5 years it seems. Here's what I would do. Instead of paying Paul Johnson 1.75 to 2.0mil per year in a bidding war, I would try to bring Turner Gill in for 775k to 1.0 million at the most. Then take part of that "unspent cash" and hire the best defensive coordinator you can find for top dollar. At worst, get a salty guy like Eric Shumman. With the other part of the money, go hire two young absolute stud recruiters. Pay them absolute top dollar for their position. $250-300k apiece would surely do it. Gill could bring the rest of his staff from Buffalo, surely not all would come anyway.

Johnson represents a risk. He has several question marks as it relates to SMU even though he is a great coach. There is risk with Gill as well, I understand. But hiring a great, top dollar staff hedges that risk and could be a huge boost to SMU football and more effective than paying up for the name of the day. SMU needs to figure out what would make it successful and not just follow the herd. Orsini shunned the herd by hiring OLeary at UCF. Do it again and make this work.

Turner Gill isn't a risk?

He did say there would be risk with Gill. Thought Stallion was right on when I read his post a few weeks ago saying basically the same thing.

SMU Football Blog wrote:Yeah, he's a risk and then we can can him after two years if he bombs at that price. That will go over well.

why would turner Gill fail here? Care to splain? You like to scold people for their opinions and then you turn around and throw out some doozies.

Hoop Fan wrote:

SMU Football Blog wrote:Yeah, he's a risk and then we can can him after two years if he bombs at that price. That will go over well.

why would turner Gill fail here? Care to splain? You like to scold people for their opinions and then you turn around and throw out some doozies.

We need a PROVEN coach, not one who has yet to lead a team to bowl eligibility.

perunapower wrote:

Hoop Fan wrote:

SMU Football Blog wrote:Yeah, he's a risk and then we can can him after two years if he bombs at that price. That will go over well.

why would turner Gill fail here? Care to splain? You like to scold people for their opinions and then you turn around and throw out some doozies.

We need a PROVEN coach, not one who has yet to lead a team to bowl eligibility.

fine with me. So hire Barnett or Bowden or Nueheisal. Barnett has done it and done it big at Northwestern. If SMU is too pure, pristine and perfect to hire a coach with baggage, which appears to be the case, then I guess you have to go another way. The way I would go is Turner Gill. Sometimes if you really are a great A.D, you have to identify the attributes that will be successful before the rest of the market does.

SMU Football Blog wrote:Yeah, he's a risk and then we can can him after two years if he bombs at that price. That will go over well.

Yeah but we will give him food and laundry money.

I like the idea as well... if fact I brought this up before stallon when Gills name came up, however everyone disliked gill because he was a no name at buffalo...until Nebraska almost gave him the key to lincoln.

Either way I will be happy. I just want to get this over with....all the options we have talked about are way better than anything we have brought up in a long time and I am excited to see what any of them can do....

The thing I do not agree with is allowing the assumption that Johnson is a risk. He has a long track record at different levels and has been successful everywhere he has been. I would be very excited with Gill but the fact that you have put equal risk levels on Johnson and Gill makes the whole theory absurd. You are merely playing a money game and that is not right. You could convince me more with a boring verus exciting personality argument rather than money. And a Johnson hire relates to an OLeary hire much more than a Gill hire would.

Recruiting is half of the equation.

mrydel wrote:The thing I do not agree with is allowing the assumption that Johnson is a risk. He has a long track record at different levels and has been successful everywhere he has been. I would be very excited with Gill but the fact that you have put equal risk levels on Johnson and Gill makes the whole theory absurd. You are merely playing a money game and that is not right. You could convince me more with a boring verus exciting personality argument rather than money. And a Johnson hire relates to an OLeary hire much more than a Gill hire would.

Is money limited or unlimited? How you allocate it is valid. I am not playing a money 'game' at all. And how can Johnson or anybody else be a sure thing at SMU? Is that what you are saying? THAT sir is absurd. I happen to think a number of coaches could take SMU to a bowl or two if they have the tools. I don't understand this our savior Johnson or bust thing alot of people have recently developed.

Was a potential Hall of Fame Head Coach Ken Hatfield a sure-thing at Rice?