Obviously,

[bigdaddy08091]

the money was not as much of an issue as some of you thought. I knew going in that SMU could raise all the money in the world for a HC and it would not make a difference in the amount of prospects we may attract for a HC position. In todays world of coaching there is much more involved in the process of a coach accepting a position. Most HC will not tell you this, but this is how it is.
1. They want freedom to run the program in the best way they see fit in order to gain recruits and win games.
2. The football program/athletics are seperate from the university as an entity. Athletes are students, but governed by the athletic department not the university.
3. The HC has total control over the football program regarding discipline and recommendations for discipline.

Some coach will get this position making way too much money, because we have dug ourselves a hole in regards to micro managing the athletice department.

[George S. Patton]

OK, thanks

[gostangs]

Oh, yeah, and they also want a bunch of dough.

[OC Mustang]

the money was not as much of an issue as some of you thought. I knew going in that SMU could raise all the money in the world for a HC and it would not make a difference in the amount of prospects we may attract for a HC position. In todays world of coaching there is much more involved in the process of a coach accepting a position. Most HC will not tell you this, but this is how it is.
1. They want freedom to run the program in the best way they see fit in order to gain recruits and win games.
2. The football program/athletics are seperate from the university as an entity. Athletes are students, but governed by the athletic department not the university.
3. The HC has total control over the football program regarding discipline and recommendations for discipline.

Some coach will get this position making way too much money, because we have dug ourselves a hole in regards to micro managing the athletice department.

1. Fine.
2. & 3. Frankly, if a coach wants that kind of authority, then he gets the pain that goes with boosters screwing up, even if accidental. A coach wants 100% authority for the student-athlete that supercedes university responsibility? Fine. If that coach is found to have broken, even accidentally, university rules, or worse, NCAA rules, that coach is subject to immediate dismissal without pay and is responsible as if the contract was being bought out by a competitor. In addition, any breach that results in expulsion automatically triggers a non-compete clause that prevents coaching for the remainder of the contract. Last, but not least, the coach agrees to submit himself, upon finding of a breach, to NCAA regulatory oversight (essentially, "parole"), and if another breach occurs on their watch, they receive a lifetime ban from coaching NCAA football.

You think a coach should have that authority? Great. I'll bite. But they endure as much or worse of a snake-bite if they create or allow NCAA boo-boos.

I don't like the university "micro-managing" the Athetics Dept or AD. I've got problems with Turner vis-a-vis athletics. But no way, if I am University President or BOT, do I willingly give any coach carte blanche without a helluva stick to go with that carrot. Sarbanes-Oxley for university athletics.

[bigdaddy08091]

the money was not as much of an issue as some of you thought. I knew going in that SMU could raise all the money in the world for a HC and it would not make a difference in the amount of prospects we may attract for a HC position. In todays world of coaching there is much more involved in the process of a coach accepting a position. Most HC will not tell you this, but this is how it is.
1. They want freedom to run the program in the best way they see fit in order to gain recruits and win games.
2. The football program/athletics are seperate from the university as an entity. Athletes are students, but governed by the athletic department not the university.
3. The HC has total control over the football program regarding discipline and recommendations for discipline.

Some coach will get this position making way too much money, because we have dug ourselves a hole in regards to micro managing the athletice department.

1. Fine.
2. & 3. Frankly, if a coach wants that kind of authority, then he gets the pain that goes with boosters screwing up, even if accidental. A coach wants 100% authority for the student-athlete that supercedes university responsibility? Fine. If that coach is found to have broken, even accidentally, university rules, or worse, NCAA rules, that coach is subject to immediate dismissal without pay and is responsible as if the contract was being bought out by a competitor. In addition, any breach that results in expulsion automatically triggers a non-compete clause that prevents coaching for the remainder of the contract. Last, but not least, the coach agrees to submit himself, upon finding of a breach, to NCAA regulatory oversight (essentially, "parole"), and if another breach occurs on their watch, they receive a lifetime ban from coaching NCAA football.

You think a coach should have that authority? Great. I'll bite. But they endure as much or worse of a snake-bite if they create or allow NCAA boo-boos.

I don't like the university "micro-managing" the Athetics Dept or AD. I've got problems with Turner vis-a-vis athletics. But no way, if I am University President or BOT, do I willingly give any coach carte blanche without a helluva stick to go with that carrot. Sarbanes-Oxley for university athletics.

The job comes with a helluva stick now, winning. Everything you mentioned above happens to a coach now, short of the lifetime ban, if NCAA rules are violated. The football program is ultimately responsible, but that is the risk you take in hiring any HC. One thing you have to understand. The university does not suffer any consequences for any violations of its athletic programs. The DP did not close down the Cox School of Business? It only affected the football program.

Orsinis job is to hire the right HC to win football games, whatever it takes. Orsini and his crew does the monitoring of the athletics concerning compliance. Turner has been micro managing this thing like the DP damn near shut down the school. It only shut down the football program. So, we need to get our tail out from between our legs, get the hair raised up on our backs and hire a HC who will win some games, whatever it takes.