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Bower is Not a Candidate for SMU Job

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:35 am
by Stallion

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:03 am
by LakeHighlandsPony
It really makes you wonder why Bower is not a finalist

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:06 am
by George S. Patton
OK, I'll spin this and say no coaching prospects that the reporter was told. Given the great secrecy of this search, who knows.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:20 am
by papawasamustang
I'm totally ok with Bower not being a candidate @ this point.

I think there are many others I would approach before Bower.
Hopefully they have been approached.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:49 am
by westexSMU
Bower has one of the best records of building a program of any coaching candidates in the country......He should be considered by every Div. 1 school looking for a coach.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:09 am
by PonyKai
LakeHighlandsPony wrote:It really makes you wonder why Bower is not a finalist


Because it's simple common sense in a way. If you're going to pass up candidate A who is qualified to a certain degree, than it means the other candidate(s) B are equally or more qualified for the position you're filling. Seems pretty obvious.

Because if that is not the case, than there will be a very upset mob at the end of the day asking very simple and correct questions like why the heck did you not even interview Candidate A and go out and hire joe-dumbo. In a way, one may take reassurance in the fact that candidates such as Bowden and Bower have been bypassed, that in all likelihood there is a more qualified candidate to be hired. And that no-interest cloud doesn't fly in this setting.

If we were whiffing like Mendoza than there would be definitive evidence after two months. We have 'interviewed' Johnson, discussed the position with Franchione, and 'interviewed' Coker. If they were now at the top of the list, they'd have the job already. You can argue whether Bowden and Bower would be better interviewees than Coker and Fran. We may be incorrect in waiting this long for someone, but we are not waiting for no one.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:19 am
by biggin
Orsini has whiffed. A lot. Let's be clear.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:37 am
by CalallenStang
westexSMU wrote:Bower has one of the best records of building a program of any coaching candidates in the country......He should be considered by every Div. 1 school looking for a coach.


USM was strong before Bower got there...he did not build that program. The years before Bower took over in 1990:

Coach Hallman (1987-1989):
1989 5-6
1988 10-2
1987 6-5

Coach Carmody (1982-1986):
1986 6-5
1985 7-4
1984 4-7
1983 8-3 (7-4 but Tulane had to forfeit their win)
1982 7-4

Coach Collins (1975-1981)
1981 9 2 1
1980 9 3
1979 6 4 1
1978 7 4
1977 6 6
1976 3 8
1975 7 4

and that's just from 1975.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:12 am
by westexSMU
[quote="CalallenStang"][quote="westexSMU"]Bower has one of the best records of building a program of any coaching candidates in the country......He should be considered by every Div. 1 school looking for a coach.[/quote]

USM was strong before Bower got there...he did not build that program. The years before Bower took over in 1990:

Coach Hallman (1987-1989):
1989 5-6
1988 10-2
1987 6-5

Coach Carmody (1982-1986):
1986 6-5
1985 7-4
1984 4-7
1983 8-3 (7-4 but Tulane had to forfeit their win)
1982 7-4

Coach Collins (1975-1981)
1981 9 2 1
1980 9 3
1979 6 4 1
1978 7 4
1977 6 6
1976 3 8
1975 7 4

and that's just from 1975.[/quote]..............I had remembered the Coach before him had a loosing record the year before Bower got their.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:41 am
by PonyKai
I have been very, very clear the entire time.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:46 pm
by CalallenStang
westexSMU wrote:
CalallenStang wrote:
westexSMU wrote:Bower has one of the best records of building a program of any coaching candidates in the country......He should be considered by every Div. 1 school looking for a coach.


USM was strong before Bower got there...he did not build that program. The years before Bower took over in 1990:

Coach Hallman (1987-1989):
1989 5-6
1988 10-2
1987 6-5

Coach Carmody (1982-1986):
1986 6-5
1985 7-4
1984 4-7
1983 8-3 (7-4 but Tulane had to forfeit their win)
1982 7-4

Coach Collins (1975-1981)
1981 9 2 1
1980 9 3
1979 6 4 1
1978 7 4
1977 6 6
1976 3 8
1975 7 4

and that's just from 1975.
..............I had remembered the Coach before him had a loosing record the year before Bower got their.


Yeah, but it was a fluke year...Hallman ended up getting the LSU job after that year. He did not have success in Baton Rouge, and since then has only held low-level assistant jobs.