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According to media reports, San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan wanted Martz to replace offensive coordinator Jim Hostler, who was fired Wednesday. But ESPN.com's John Clayton reported that the team's brass did not support that idea. That could open the door for Southern Methodist University, which has contacted Martz regarding its head coaching job, according to Clayton.

here is the article....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3177253

Huh? Seriously?? Martz??

I've always thought Martz was thought of around the league as a [deleted]. How in the world do we know he can recruit? I guess if we put that offense in we'd just start piling up offensive recruits?

mentioned Martz to SMU on the Big Finish. Kornheiser: not a good fit, he's a pro coach

NO MARTZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not? And please give me more reasons other than his hair.

Heisman7Life wrote:Why not? And please give me more reasons other than his hair.

his offense failed miserably in Detroit with all kinds of offensive weapons and he has never coached in college

Heisman7Life wrote:Why not? And please give me more reasons other than his hair.

1. He is an arrogant SOB. Read some of his comments and sound-bites over the years if you don't believe me.

2. Not a proven college recruiter.

3. Would be starting from scratch with respect to gathering a competent, capable college coaching/recruiting staff.

4. I am personally not impressed with anything he did in the pros, but especially at Detroit at OC.

5. See #1

EDIT: 6. Not the guy to be the face of our program and cause excitement about SMU football.

QuikSStang wrote:

Heisman7Life wrote:Why not? And please give me more reasons other than his hair.

his offense failed miserably in Detroit with all kinds of offensive weapons and he has never coached in college

the lions were a joke. largest pretender in the first half of season

BRStang wrote:

Heisman7Life wrote:Why not? And please give me more reasons other than his hair.

1. He is an arrogant SOB. Read some of his comments and sound-bites over the years if you don't believe me.

2. Not a proven college recruiter.

3. Would be starting from scratch with respect to gathering a competent, capable college coaching/recruiting staff.

4. I am personally not impressed with anything he did in the pros, but especially at Detroit at OC.

5. See #1

EDIT: 6. Not the guy to be the face of our program and cause excitement about SMU football.

1. Arrogant? He may be but name someone outside of Larry Coker in this coaching search that you couldn't consider arrogant? Jones? Fran? Bowden? Here's a secret...most football coaches are full of arrogance. All you should want is a winner. What you think Saban/Rodriguez/et al coaches aren't arrogant? Please. We'll agree to disagree on this one being a problem.

2. See, to me this isn't a GIGANTIC problem. Most of these kids watched the 199-2002 Rams, and know how explosive his offenses always are. Oh yeah they'll also remember both his Detroit Lions teams...dismantling of the Cowboys defense. Martz knows talent. He wants speed. Dallas has speed. I'm not talking about some Top 50 HS WR with 4.4 speed. Go to a track meet and some of the games in the 'inner' city...there's plenty of speed there. Watch tape of when Crabtree was at Carter. Never caught the ball. There were plenty of burners that left him in the dust. And we all know what Crabtree did in college football this year. Trust me these kids are thinking about the pros...wrong or right..and a former Head Coach who has gone to a Super Bowl and lost to......that's right the Patriots, arguably against one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

3. The only point I can see here is who wuold be his recruiting coordinator....other than that he could build a staff easily.

4. What doesn't impress you about what he did at the pros? Do I really need to pull the numbers from his stints from the Rams? With the lions suffering from a HORRIBLE offensive line he still did a good job. Injuries to the #1 tailback (Kevin Jones, watch him after he leaves Detroit), WR's (Johnson suffered from a back problem all year, Roy at the end with various injuries). With the Rams he constantly had one of the top 5 offenses including three years as the #1 offense....

5. Next.

6. So a NFL head coach with a 62% winning percentage is nothing? Trust me, the man will get a job either in the NFL or NCAA and after a few bumps and bruises he'll construct a juggernaut again...then you will be happy with your 5-7 win team. Show me a place where he hasn't improved the offense and\/or team......

Heisman7Life wrote:

BRStang wrote:

Heisman7Life wrote:Why not? And please give me more reasons other than his hair.

1. He is an arrogant SOB. Read some of his comments and sound-bites over the years if you don't believe me.

2. Not a proven college recruiter.

3. Would be starting from scratch with respect to gathering a competent, capable college coaching/recruiting staff.

4. I am personally not impressed with anything he did in the pros, but especially at Detroit at OC.

5. See #1

EDIT: 6. Not the guy to be the face of our program and cause excitement about SMU football.

1. Arrogant? He may be but name someone outside of Larry Coker in this coaching search that you couldn't consider arrogant? Jones? Fran? Bowden? Here's a secret...most football coaches are full of arrogance. All you should want is a winner. What you think Saban/Rodriguez/et al coaches aren't arrogant? Please. We'll agree to disagree on this one being a problem.

2. See, to me this isn't a GIGANTIC problem. Most of these kids watched the 199-2002 Rams, and know how explosive his offenses always are. Oh yeah they'll also remember both his Detroit Lions teams...dismantling of the Cowboys defense. Martz knows talent. He wants speed. Dallas has speed. I'm not talking about some Top 50 HS WR with 4.4 speed. Go to a track meet and some of the games in the 'inner' city...there's plenty of speed there. Watch tape of when Crabtree was at Carter. Never caught the ball. There were plenty of burners that left him in the dust. And we all know what Crabtree did in college football this year. Trust me these kids are thinking about the pros...wrong or right..and a former Head Coach who has gone to a Super Bowl and lost to......that's right the Patriots, arguably against one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

3. The only point I can see here is who wuold be his recruiting coordinator....other than that he could build a staff easily.

4. What doesn't impress you about what he did at the pros? Do I really need to pull the numbers from his stints from the Rams? With the lions suffering from a HORRIBLE offensive line he still did a good job. Injuries to the #1 tailback (Kevin Jones, watch him after he leaves Detroit), WR's (Johnson suffered from a back problem all year, Roy at the end with various injuries). With the Rams he constantly had one of the top 5 offenses including three years as the #1 offense....

5. Next.

6. So a NFL head coach with a 62% winning percentage is nothing? Trust me, the man will get a job either in the NFL or NCAA and after a few bumps and bruises he'll construct a juggernaut again...then you will be happy with your 5-7 win team. Show me a place where he hasn't improved the offense and\/or team......

About the only thing this guy and his face make me want to do is have a bowel movement. Arrogant, sour puss, bore.

jkflamebo wrote:

QuikSStang wrote:

Heisman7Life wrote:Why not? And please give me more reasons other than his hair.

his offense failed miserably in Detroit with all kinds of offensive weapons and he has never coached in college

the lions were a joke. largest pretender in the first half of season

Hmmm. His playmakers were hurt at all parts of the year. He has coached in college. Please get the facts straight:


Roy Williams: 12 Games played. Played 4 games with a bad ankle sprain.
Calvin Johnson: Rookie. Started 10 games. Sever back injury had him strugglinh all season. Plus a rookie.
Kevin Jones: Comeback from an injury that ruins RB's careers. Started ten games.
Jon Kitna; (Cue Jim Mora Sr.'s voice) Kitna? Kitna? You've got to be kidding me......

BRStang wrote:

Heisman7Life wrote:

BRStang wrote:

Heisman7Life wrote:Why not? And please give me more reasons other than his hair.

1. He is an arrogant SOB. Read some of his comments and sound-bites over the years if you don't believe me.

2. Not a proven college recruiter.

3. Would be starting from scratch with respect to gathering a competent, capable college coaching/recruiting staff.

4. I am personally not impressed with anything he did in the pros, but especially at Detroit at OC.

5. See #1

EDIT: 6. Not the guy to be the face of our program and cause excitement about SMU football.

1. Arrogant? He may be but name someone outside of Larry Coker in this coaching search that you couldn't consider arrogant? Jones? Fran? Bowden? Here's a secret...most football coaches are full of arrogance. All you should want is a winner. What you think Saban/Rodriguez/et al coaches aren't arrogant? Please. We'll agree to disagree on this one being a problem.

2. See, to me this isn't a GIGANTIC problem. Most of these kids watched the 199-2002 Rams, and know how explosive his offenses always are. Oh yeah they'll also remember both his Detroit Lions teams...dismantling of the Cowboys defense. Martz knows talent. He wants speed. Dallas has speed. I'm not talking about some Top 50 HS WR with 4.4 speed. Go to a track meet and some of the games in the 'inner' city...there's plenty of speed there. Watch tape of when Crabtree was at Carter. Never caught the ball. There were plenty of burners that left him in the dust. And we all know what Crabtree did in college football this year. Trust me these kids are thinking about the pros...wrong or right..and a former Head Coach who has gone to a Super Bowl and lost to......that's right the Patriots, arguably against one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

3. The only point I can see here is who wuold be his recruiting coordinator....other than that he could build a staff easily.

4. What doesn't impress you about what he did at the pros? Do I really need to pull the numbers from his stints from the Rams? With the lions suffering from a HORRIBLE offensive line he still did a good job. Injuries to the #1 tailback (Kevin Jones, watch him after he leaves Detroit), WR's (Johnson suffered from a back problem all year, Roy at the end with various injuries). With the Rams he constantly had one of the top 5 offenses including three years as the #1 offense....

5. Next.

6. So a NFL head coach with a 62% winning percentage is nothing? Trust me, the man will get a job either in the NFL or NCAA and after a few bumps and bruises he'll construct a juggernaut again...then you will be happy with your 5-7 win team. Show me a place where he hasn't improved the offense and\/or team......

About the only thing this guy and his face make me want to do is have a bowel movement. Arrogant, sour puss, bore.

This has to do with football how? Looking some of these responses on this board it's no wonder recruits don't come to SMU. Some of you guys have very little football knowledge and even less on how recruiting works. I'm actually interested in hearing some former players on this board respond to some of my ideas on why MArtz would be a good fit at SMU. Seeing as how I come in contact with many of these athletes in Dallas (ok, Oak Cliff and South Dallas) and I have constantly tried to keep the athletes from going to schools with less prominence (Alcorn St, Texas Southern, Sam Houston, North Texas...you get the idea) and trying out SMU. I can list a few kids now that I think would CONSIDER changing there verbals if Jones or MArtz were to come.

1. Willie Taylor
2. Chris Gipson (Kansas most likely, but speaking to people in the *hood* he's looking at Tyler JC or North Texas)
3. Nathan Sowels (Might be a academic problem but I doubt it from the few times I've seen him...he comes off as smart. But rivals says Lafayette? Please.
4. Dewaylon Cook (Probably too late but guess where he's going? North Texas. Noticing a trend here? The inner city kids are going to Denton. Why? Exciting coaches.)
5. Kydarian Wilkins (Full qualifier. Texas Tech/Kansas. Kansas is doing what SMU can.)
6. Troy Stoudamire (UNknown. Minneasota. Spread Offense. Also looking at North Texas.)
7. Jacquies Smith. (Speed Rusher. Bada$$ OLB when he gets to next level. Looking at North Texas. Should I just copy and paste North Texas for the inner city kids in Dallas from now on?)

Nuff said.

sounds like that North Texas fella is a damn good recruiter-what does that have to do with Martz-ZERO. Franchione and his staff are the proven recruiting choice especially among DFW athletes among these candidates proven at both BCS and non-BCS schools. Don't try and turn a recruiting argument into a vote for Martz-whoever you are-because that don't make no sense-and yes I do know a thing or two about it.

Stallion wrote:sounds like that North Texas fella is a damn good recruiter-what does that have to do with Martz-ZERO. Franchione and his staff are the proven recruiting choice especially among DFW athletes among these candidates proven at both BCS and non-BCS schools. Don't try and turn a recruiting argument into a vote for Martz-whoever you are-because that don't make no sense-and yes I do know a thing or two about it.

You people honestly don't give these young people much credit. A guy coming in there living room and spouting the same crap that they've heard from 20 other people is irrelevant. These kids want to go to schools that will make them look good. PLain and simple. Why are all these athletic types going to NOrth Texas? The spread. And the guy that they have running the spread who is the least considered a guru in that system. You guys seem to think since you've been on this board for a million years that you know what these kids are thinking. Tell you what send me some PM's and I'll give you the contact numbers for some of the kids I've listed. I'll let them tell you why they are choosing to go to the schools. Did I say Martz would be a great recruiter? No. But his SYSTEM and NFL PEDIGREE is what will get some of these athletes interested. Simple. I wonder have any of you guys been recruited before? Athletically that is? I came to this board because I truly admire SMU for its academic standing and because I have a genuine interest in going to school to get another degree. One of the reasons I rarely post on forums is because there seems to be some sort of pecking order of whose been there the longest. Again, I guess Kansas has always had great recruiters in football hmm? I think not. They hired a coach with a good offensive system. Mangino runs and EXCITING offense and was known for this.



You think Mr. Cook changed his commitment because of North Texas's charming recruiter? Please. It's an offense and system that will alllow this young man to thrive. Also it's a program on the upswing and will draw more attention. Maybe it's playing time who knows. BUt I can guarantee it wsn't because of how nicne the guy was.