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Of course not. It's NOT gonna happen. Which is why some young hot-shot law students at SMU need to be preparing to bring a selective-enforcement law suit against the ncaa and at least try to recover what is a substantial amount of lost revenue. Take it to the Supreme Court if necessary.
22 years has really made me bitter.

Glenn Sosbee wrote:Of course not. It's NOT gonna happen. Which is why some young hot-shot law students at SMU need to be preparing to bring a selective-enforcement law suit against the ncaa and at least try to recover what is a substantial amount of lost revenue. Take it to the Supreme Court if necessary.
22 years has really made me bitter.

Oh, it could happen. Alabama State is a Div. 1 FCS team, not a Div. 1 FBS team. Low profile team. I can see the bastiches leveling the DP against Alabama State just so they could say 'See? We will use it!'

To be honest, as much as we may hate to admit it, we've taken one for the team.

The death penalty won't be used again, because we blew it totally out of proportion. We have only ourselve's to blame for the past 15 years of woe (at least), yet we can always look back at the DP, and simply lay the blame there. Yet is wasn't the sanctions that killed SMU football for 20 years; it was the university's reaction to those sanctions. Football was brushed aside. But that was the choice of the school, not the NCAA. An agressive rebuilding program would have saved SMU football (and if you want to wax nastalgic, the SWC, though that's a LOT more debatable).

The result of our clusterfuck is that teams like USC and WGASA Alabama won't get the death penalty, in spite of the fact that it wouldn't hurt them nearly as much as it hurt SMU.

We have only ourselves to blame.

-CoS

Cadillac wrote:To be honest, as much as we may hate to admit it, we've taken one for the team.

The death penalty won't be used again, because we blew it totally out of proportion. We have only ourselve's to blame for the past 15 years of woe (at least), yet we can always look back at the DP, and simply lay the blame there. Yet is wasn't the sanctions that killed SMU football for 20 years; it was the university's reaction to those sanctions. Football was brushed aside. But that was the choice of the school, not the NCAA. An agressive rebuilding program would have saved SMU football (and if you want to wax nastalgic, the SWC, though that's a LOT more debatable).

The result of our [deleted] is that teams like USC and WGASA Alabama won't get the death penalty, in spite of the fact that it wouldn't hurt them nearly as much as it hurt SMU.

We have only ourselves to blame.

-CoS

1. I think you can also blame UT & A$M for taking down the SWC.

2. I think you can blame the mountain wackies for breaking up the
WAC.

3. I think you can blame Copeland for stupid coaching changes, and
general lack of inspiration in running the athletic department. Ok, I
guess you can consider Copeland as ourselves so this one doesn't
count.

The first 2 were probably almost as bad as the DP especially #1. #3
kept us in our slow spiral to oblivion.

The DP won't be used again especially on one of the big dogs because
the NCAA would be sued out of existence just trying to pay their
lawyers in the court fights.

Don't forget President Kenneth Pye.

The DP will never be used again because the NCAA has set up a DP proof system for punishment. All schools have to do is investigate themselves and determine the penalty. The NCAA accepts this and moves on. Only SMU would be stupid enough to impose the DP on itself again. Only SMU has a desire to flay itself like a crazed Iranian during Ramadan.

Other schools simply play the NCAA game like a Stradivarius. Say a school discovers that a booster gave a kid a 'job' at a car dealership. But the kid never showed up or did anything to earn his paycheck. The school simply says it discovered the infraction, punished the kid, imposed a harsh penalty of one less scholarship. How convenient since they just kicked a scholarship kid off the team. The school no longer has the scholarship player or the scholarship. Had the school kept the scholarship, it probably could use it to give to a walk-on. Since the scholarship is gone, only the walk-on is penalized.

The other method to avoid the DP is the USC perfected Sargent Schulz method. Once a kid is found to flagrently violate the rules, USC has claimed to know nothing. The NCAA accepts this as it really is impossible to expect a school to notice kids in college flauting immense wealth.

With the current process, schools are safe from the DP while the NCAA can claim it is vigilant and equal in its enforcement of the rules.

Cadillac wrote:To be honest, as much as we may hate to admit it, we've taken one for the team.

The death penalty won't be used again, because we blew it totally out of proportion. We have only ourselve's to blame for the past 15 years of woe (at least), yet we can always look back at the DP, and simply lay the blame there. Yet is wasn't the sanctions that killed SMU football for 20 years; it was the university's reaction to those sanctions. Football was brushed aside. But that was the choice of the school, not the NCAA. An agressive rebuilding program would have saved SMU football (and if you want to wax nastalgic, the SWC, though that's a LOT more debatable).

The result of our [deleted] is that teams like USC and WGASA Alabama won't get the death penalty, in spite of the fact that it wouldn't hurt them nearly as much as it hurt SMU.

We have only ourselves to blame.

-CoS

I like your Positive Attitude !

Alabama State ? Death Penalty ? NCAA is serious ?

Drop the "state" and then the hammer, and then I'll believe in the all-blessed NCAA's view to equal application of penalties.

BTW, this will not happen in our lifetime, or any other. Alabama is a revenue-producing school for the NCAA...Alabama State is not...SMU was not...picture any clearer ?

Glenn Sosbee wrote:Of course not. It's NOT gonna happen. Which is why some young hot-shot law students at SMU need to be preparing to bring a selective-enforcement law suit against the ncaa and at least try to recover what is a substantial amount of lost revenue. Take it to the Supreme Court if necessary.
22 years has really made me bitter.

Before any hot shot law students waste their time, why don't you go and research what the statute of limitations is on "selective enforcement" and let us know of it is over 22 years.

Glenn Sosbee wrote:Of course not. It's NOT gonna happen. Which is why some young hot-shot law students at SMU need to be preparing to bring a selective-enforcement law suit against the ncaa and at least try to recover what is a substantial amount of lost revenue. Take it to the Supreme Court if necessary.
22 years has really made me bitter.

You da man. I completely agree.

JT, if Alabama St. walks - like the 20+ others who've walked - selective enforcement is happening RIGHT NOW, is it not?

OU has walked in the last couple of years. Arkansas, in the last 6 or so. Alabama, ditto.

SUE THEIR *SSES. It's LONG overdue.

ponyte is correct that it will likely never be given again because Division 1A schools have been shown how to avoid it. BUT given the exact same scenario involved at SMU from 1972-1986 including 5 probations in 12 years ending with the Chairman of the Board of Govenors and other school leaders directly condoning the continuation of NCAA violations after 5 probations then the NCAA would impose it again because of overwhelming evidence of lack of institutional control. We just had a bunch of dumbasses running the university-no school is going to suffer from such a collection of buffoons again.

BS, Stallion. There are loads of 'em across the U.S. right now.

OK point me to one where the governing body of a university has had a thing to do with repeated violations over a decade.

Stallion wrote:We just had a bunch of dumbasses running the university-no school is going to suffer from such a collection of buffoons again.

#1 on the list 'with a bullet'!

Stallion wrote:OK point me to one where the governing body of a university has had a thing to do with repeated violations over a decade.

You DO agree Arkansas, Alabama, OU and other big-boys have cheated repeatedly since us - whether or not governors were involved? And their conduct COULD have resulted in the death penalty - whether or not governors were involved? And they frickin' walked, with many others.

That's selective enforcement.

It STILL goes on. As Tim Cowlishaw (DMN) says, it's more complex and disguised these days.

I think school "governing bodies", administrations, and coaches now leave themselves "plausible deniability" avenues. That's what everybody learned from our debacle.

Oh, and we'll take a W now for the Alabama St. game, thank you, very much. That's 11-19 for '07-'08 men's basketball.