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Anwering the question that distinquishes the SMU DP case. And it is 100% True and I've never heard even a plausible rebuttal.

One trend unlikely to change is the NCAA's reluctance to hit offending athletics programs with its strongest sanction, a ban on practice and competition — a complete shutdown known as the death penalty.

"I know that, often, the media talk about the fact that the committee is not imposing it in cases that have been extremely egregious," Potuto said. "But the thing that set SMU apart (in 1987, the only time the death penalty has been imposed in Division I) was the institutional effort by high-level administrators to hide the fact that they were committing violations — and repeatedly hide it. In the cases at least over the time I've sat on the committee, we have not had that circumstance.



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... ttee_N.htm

NO doubt we earned it. ANd it will never be handed out again because of the silly self policing plan in affect now. If we could self monitor and report and impose penalties upon ourself in 1987, I seriously doubt we would have ever had the DP.

It isn't that we got the DP, it is the fact that the NCAA will never have a system in place to catch other egregious offenders.

It is what it is,

We deserved it...while I would agree that you could point to other schools doing illegal activity as bad or worse as what SMU did, the amount of people in the loop at SMU and the way administrators tried to cover it up repeatedly was second to none.

bagice wrote:It is what it is,

We deserved it...while I would agree that you could point to other schools doing illegal activity as bad or worse as what SMU did, the amount of people in the loop at SMU and the way administrators tried to cover it up repeatedly was second to none.

Are you sure it's second to none? Perhaps others succeeded, and thus we have never heard about them.

Just playing devil's advocate, here. We certainly got what we deserved.

Stallion wrote: ..."But the thing that set SMU apart (in 1987, the only time the death penalty has been imposed in Division I) was the institutional effort by high-level administrators to hide the fact that they were committing violations — and repeatedly hide it. In the cases at least over the time I've sat on the committee, we have not had that circumstance.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... ttee_N.htm

Just covering the NCAA's $ss and taking another shot at SMU. So what? (I thought we're supposed to move on?)

You won't hear me wailing, "Oh, yes, YES! We deserved it!". It's been said and everybody knows it.

The cheating today is more complex and under the radar, as the DMN's Tim Cowlishaw once noted in an e-mail on the subject. (That T-sipper oughta know.) With $17 mil for a bowl on the line? Are you kidding me?

And plenty of it went on in the 80s too. How many administrators, higher ups and boosters back then went, "holy sh*t" when SMU went down? We'll never know.

There might be a school that is challenging us for our "Lack of Institutional Contol" title - University of District of Columbia:


NCAA penalizes UDC, cites 'egregious' problems
14 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Citing what it called "the most egregious lack of institutional control ever seen" by its Division II investigative committee, the NCAA on Wednesday levied numerous sanctions on the University of the District of Columbia.

The penalties include five years of probation, a cancellation of seasons for certain sports, a one-year postseason ban in all sports, forfeiture of wins in select sports, a reduction of scholarships and a reduction in recruiting activities.

Most of the violations occurred from 2000-04, and some of the harshest penalties have already been self-implemented by the school, the only public university in the city of Washington.

Former UDC president William Pollard began the athletic department overhaul in the fall of 2004 when he disbanded all sports teams for the rest of the school year. New coaches, a new athletic director, and a full-time compliance officer have since been hired.

The NCAA Division II Committee on Infractions found that the university allowed 248 athletes and two prospective athletes to practice or compete while ineligible from the 2000-01 through the 2003-04 academic years. The committee said the university acknowledged it did not have policies in place to properly monitor its student-athletes and failed to accurately report information relating to violations.

"UDC understands and accepts today's ruling by the NCAA Infractions Committee," UDC president Allen Sessoms said in a statement. "The penalties proposed in the committee's report are consistent with our own recommendations and what we have already self-imposed. We understand that during the years 2000-2001 through 2003-2004 UDC failed to effectively carry out its responsibilities and obligations as a Division II member institution. UDC regrets that the violations occurred. The university has already taken proactive steps to ensure future compliance with all NCAA regulations."

The school's five-year probation began Wednesday and runs through 2013. The postseason ban for all sports will take place in the 2009-10 academic year.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jjH7Gni4A7ch0ecwABHVg2wH_UzgD944E92G1

PonySoprano wrote:There might be a school that is challenging us for our "Lack of Institutional Contol" title - University of District of Columbia:


NCAA penalizes UDC, cites 'egregious' problems
14 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Citing what it called "the most egregious lack of institutional control ever seen" by its Division II investigative committee, the NCAA on Wednesday levied numerous sanctions on the University of the District of Columbia.

The penalties include five years of probation, a cancellation of seasons for certain sports, a one-year postseason ban in all sports, forfeiture of wins in select sports, a reduction of scholarships and a reduction in recruiting activities.

Most of the violations occurred from 2000-04, and some of the harshest penalties have already been self-implemented by the school, the only public university in the city of Washington.

Former UDC president William Pollard began the athletic department overhaul in the fall of 2004 when he disbanded all sports teams for the rest of the school year. New coaches, a new athletic director, and a full-time compliance officer have since been hired.

The NCAA Division II Committee on Infractions found that the university allowed 248 athletes and two prospective athletes to practice or compete while ineligible from the 2000-01 through the 2003-04 academic years. The committee said the university acknowledged it did not have policies in place to properly monitor its student-athletes and failed to accurately report information relating to violations.

"UDC understands and accepts today's ruling by the NCAA Infractions Committee," UDC president Allen Sessoms said in a statement. "The penalties proposed in the committee's report are consistent with our own recommendations and what we have already self-imposed. We understand that during the years 2000-2001 through 2003-2004 UDC failed to effectively carry out its responsibilities and obligations as a Division II member institution. UDC regrets that the violations occurred. The university has already taken proactive steps to ensure future compliance with all NCAA regulations."

The school's five-year probation began Wednesday and runs through 2013. The postseason ban for all sports will take place in the 2009-10 academic year.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jjH7Gni4A7ch0ecwABHVg2wH_UzgD944E92G1

Is Marion Berry running that program?

George S. Patton wrote:

PonySoprano wrote:There might be a school that is challenging us for our "Lack of Institutional Contol" title - University of District of Columbia:


NCAA penalizes UDC, cites 'egregious' problems
14 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Citing what it called "the most egregious lack of institutional control ever seen" by its Division II investigative committee, the NCAA on Wednesday levied numerous sanctions on the University of the District of Columbia.

The penalties include five years of probation, a cancellation of seasons for certain sports, a one-year postseason ban in all sports, forfeiture of wins in select sports, a reduction of scholarships and a reduction in recruiting activities.

Most of the violations occurred from 2000-04, and some of the harshest penalties have already been self-implemented by the school, the only public university in the city of Washington.

Former UDC president William Pollard began the athletic department overhaul in the fall of 2004 when he disbanded all sports teams for the rest of the school year. New coaches, a new athletic director, and a full-time compliance officer have since been hired.

The NCAA Division II Committee on Infractions found that the university allowed 248 athletes and two prospective athletes to practice or compete while ineligible from the 2000-01 through the 2003-04 academic years. The committee said the university acknowledged it did not have policies in place to properly monitor its student-athletes and failed to accurately report information relating to violations.

"UDC understands and accepts today's ruling by the NCAA Infractions Committee," UDC president Allen Sessoms said in a statement. "The penalties proposed in the committee's report are consistent with our own recommendations and what we have already self-imposed. We understand that during the years 2000-2001 through 2003-2004 UDC failed to effectively carry out its responsibilities and obligations as a Division II member institution. UDC regrets that the violations occurred. The university has already taken proactive steps to ensure future compliance with all NCAA regulations."

The school's five-year probation began Wednesday and runs through 2013. The postseason ban for all sports will take place in the 2009-10 academic year.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jjH7Gni4A7ch0ecwABHVg2wH_UzgD944E92G1

Is Marion Berry running that program?

Obviously not as they didn't get off.

And I will always contend that at other universities, ‘high-level administrators’ maybe not have been directly involved in the payments to athletes, but are still guilty of turning a blind eye for fear that ‘any’ meaningful investigation on their part would expose illegal activity.

These same ‘high-level administrators’ have a fiduciary responsibility to make sure their respective universities abide by the rules.

As an officer of a Company, I can tell you under deposition, or worse, cross-examination, try the Sgt Shultz approach of “I knew nothingâ€

If other schools were equally guilty, then perhaps that means they deserved the death penalty too. But we'll never know, because those other schools were not caught doing the things SMU was doing. Our corruption went all the way to the governor's mansion. SMU clearly deserved what it got.

mr. pony wrote:

Stallion wrote: ..."But the thing that set SMU apart (in 1987, the only time the death penalty has been imposed in Division I) was the institutional effort by high-level administrators to hide the fact that they were committing violations — and repeatedly hide it. In the cases at least over the time I've sat on the committee, we have not had that circumstance.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... ttee_N.htm

Just covering the NCAA's $ss and taking another shot at SMU. So what? (I thought we're supposed to move on?)

You won't hear me wailing, "Oh, yes, YES! We deserved it!". It's been said and everybody knows it.

The cheating today is more complex and under the radar, as the DMN's Tim Cowlishaw once noted in an e-mail on the subject. (That T-sipper oughta know.) With $17 mil for a bowl on the line? Are you kidding me?

And plenty of it went on in the 80s too. How many administrators, higher ups and boosters back then went, "holy sh*t" when SMU went down? We'll never know.

Any D1 program can funnel large amounts of money in small incements using pre-paid credit cards that cannot be traced to alumni or donors in the same manor that a heavy donor to a political campaign can skirt the campaign finance laws . . .

I thought the NCAA gave us the DP because we were mean and kept UNT out of the SWC.

We got what we deserved and then punished ourselves 10 times over. However, I do believe that there is lots of corruption in college sports (Can you say OU or Alabama?) And don't tell me that they self reported those violations, they were caught the same way we were caught (news expose), then they self-reported the violations. The NCAA is not going to do it to a big school because they know that they'll lose whatever ability they have to enforce amateur rules if they do so. Remember the BCS can be the shadow NCAA of the future.

Stallion wrote:Anwering the question that distinquishes the SMU DP case. And it is 100% True and I've never heard even a plausible rebuttal.

One trend unlikely to change is the NCAA's reluctance to hit offending athletics programs with its strongest sanction, a ban on practice and competition — a complete shutdown known as the death penalty.

"I know that, often, the media talk about the fact that the committee is not imposing it in cases that have been extremely egregious," Potuto said. "But the thing that set SMU apart (in 1987, the only time the death penalty has been imposed in Division I) was the institutional effort by high-level administrators to hide the fact that they were committing violations — and repeatedly hide it. In the cases at least over the time I've sat on the committee, we have not had that circumstance.



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... ttee_N.htm

so if the administration tells some loyal lowers to just do it, then the admins cannot be held accountable. Nice logic.