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Big 12 South

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:18 am
by Pony Soup
Texas should, but will they?

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:41 am
by J.T.supporta
who cares right now...not me
we'll know around 7

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:16 pm
by Charleston Pony
no "fair" way to do this; yes - Texas beat OU head to head early, but OU destroyed Tech and UT couldn't beat them. Does Texas' road win at Kansas (28 pt win against a team OU beat by only 14 in Norman) offset OU's 20 pt win at OSU (a team Texas struggled to beat by 4 at home)?
Texas beat A&M at home by 40; OU beat them in College Station by 38
OU beat Baylor in Waco by 32 while Texas won in Austin by 24
I really believe OU is the stronger team right now, but this will be a year where the "National Champion" should have an astersisk by it's name.
Plenty of 1 win teams will win their bowl games and have a stake to that claim, i.e., being "National Champion"

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:24 pm
by Stallion
The fourth tie breaker is BCS ranking-in other words the best team from a national perspective NOT a regional Big 12 perspective. That's the Big 12's own standard. The winner under Big 12 rules should simply be "Which team Texas or OU deserves to play in the BCS Championship". Texas wins head to head-all that "he says, she says" about common Big 12 opponents is not relavant to the 4th standard used by the Big 12 itself. There is simply no points differential standard that should be considered.

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:35 pm
by Charleston Pony
Stallion wrote:The fourth tie breaker is BCS ranking-in other words the best team from a national perspective NOT a regional Big 12 perspective. That's the Big 12's own standard. The winner under Big 12 rules should simply be "Which team Texas or OU deserves to play in the BCS Championship". Texas wins head to head-all that "he says, she says" about common Big 12 opponents is not relavant to the 4th standard used by the Big 12 itself. There is simply no points differential standard that should be considered.
How do you figure Texas wins on a "national level"?
Big East people who saw OU take Cincy apart might figure OU is better, despite the early season loss to Texas. Those high profile "national" games have been played in the past several weeks. I would not be the least bit surprised to see OU leap over Texas in the BCS poll
People who give this a hard look will conclude that OU played the tougher schedule and that might just cause them to ignore the "head to head". Should be an extremely close vote

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:43 pm
by Stallion
Ignore Head-to-Head? Yeah like that's not the No. 1 criteria in every league that has ever been invented.

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:44 pm
by Pony Soup
Charleston Pony wrote:Stallion wrote:The fourth tie breaker is BCS ranking-in other words the best team from a national perspective NOT a regional Big 12 perspective. That's the Big 12's own standard. The winner under Big 12 rules should simply be "Which team Texas or OU deserves to play in the BCS Championship". Texas wins head to head-all that "he says, she says" about common Big 12 opponents is not relavant to the 4th standard used by the Big 12 itself. There is simply no points differential standard that should be considered.
How do you figure Texas wins on a "national level"?
Big East people who saw OU take Cincy apart might figure OU is better, despite the early season loss to Texas. Those high profile "national" games have been played in the past several weeks. I would not be the least bit surprised to see OU leap over Texas in the BCS poll
People who give this a hard look will conclude that OU played the tougher schedule and that might just cause them to ignore the "head to head". Should be an extremely close vote
CHALLENGE!!! OU did not play a tougher schedule. Beyond who you play, consider WHEN you play them. Oh wait...Jeff Sagarin ranks strength of schedule for us and....OU ranked 25, only 20 spots behind texas... but what does he know?


Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:49 pm
by Charleston Pony
Just saying I would not be surprised to see OU leapfrog Texas.
Clearly having won "head to head", Texas would have the most valid gripe.
Hard for OU to argue when all they had to do was beat Texas.
Texas will owe the Sooners a big thank you for beating Tech and then beating OSU on the road. Not sure Texas could have done that (beat OSU in Stillwater)

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:52 pm
by Pony Soup
Charleston Pony wrote:Hard for OU to argue when all they had to do was beat Texas.
All Texas had to do was beat Tech.

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:56 pm
by HB Pony Dad
Pony Soup wrote:
All Texas had to do was beat Tech.
All OU had to do was beat Texas!
and
All Tech had to do was beat OU!
and
All USC had to do was beat Oregon State!
Can we all say "MYTHICAL" now?

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:42 pm
by mr. pony
Stallion wrote:Ignore Head-to-Head? Yeah like that's not the No. 1 criteria in every league that has ever been invented.
What were the tie-breaker rules before the season started? Did UT agree to them? Head-to-head's not being ignored. It just may not matter as much as strength of schedule, Mr. T-sip apologist.

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:43 pm
by smupony94
Clearly Texas A&M - they were in stealth mode all season

Posted:
Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:43 pm
by mr. pony
OU kicked the living stuffing out of Tech. Texas couldn't deal with 'em.
Funny, but it used to said, lose early, if you're going to lose. OU did that.
Texas lost late and now whines that we should rewind the world to October 9.
