JJ needs more than 5 years to establish the program

[Pony81]

My take on this season is that JJ will need more than 5 years to get this program airborne.

I think he can do it only because he has done it before. Not because the product I saw on the field this year was a reflection of a great coaching staff "coaching up" poor talent to a mediocre season.

I saw poor talent that was not helped by the coaching staff. I certainly see no hope for a significant turnaround next year.

Our talent foundation is just too low. I see no defensive stoppers. I see no defensive line whatsoever. When the game is on the line we do not have the Dline to stop that 3rd and 3 type situation. As long as this is the case we do not win - period.

We need to think of this as JJ gets us respectible in 5 years but the next coach will be the one who puts us over the top.

[jkflamebo]

june isn't staying here any longer, he's going back to hawaii at some point

[J.T.supporta]

therefore SMU = coaching graveyard

[jkflamebo]

therefore SMU = coaching graveyard

unfortunately so. only way it changes is if we get a couple unusually monstrous recruiting classes to get the ball rolling

[Junior]

I think he only needs 5 years. Assuming that timeline starts 3 years from now.

[SMU21TCU10]

so after 5 years. when he takes us 7-5, or 8-4 at best. Then he leaves. And we have a new coach come in with a new system and our roster is full of R and S players... Then its back to the same. Unless Reinbold or someone can take over.

[ozfan]

[quote="SMU21TCU10"]so after 5 years. when he takes us 7-5, or 8-4 at best. Then he leaves. And we have a new coach come in with a new system and our roster is full of R and S players... Then its back to the same. Unless Reinbold or someone can take over.[/quot

As long as the D has been built up and is in good shape when he leaves SMU should be able to win a few games while a new O is installed.

[joekapp11]

The recruiting class coming in is one of our best in a long time. Scout has us 2nd in the conference right now. Hope!

[mr. pony]

I'm sorry, but it doesn't take five years.

[Billy Joe]

Let's not start the doom and gloom yet. If we still do not have a winning season by year 3 of JJ's coaching tenure then let's start crying. Look folks, we knew this was going to be a rough season when a true freshman qb was announced the starter. A freshman qb learning a tough offense with around half the starters being freshmen or redshirt freshmen. Also, the suspensions really hurt this team. I believe we would have beat S. Miss if we had both our starting receivers. Our D held a winning team to a touchdown in one half....pretty impressive. We are all frusterated but the recruiting is improving and 5 years is a long time to get this thing right. Although we did not win a conference game, many of our games were very competitive even with around half the starters being freshmen. When it is time for JJ to leave here, you will get a lot of quality coaches looking at this job assuming we are still competitive with the pay. Cheer up folks.....we are the best 1 win team in the country.

[Big Hoss]

Let's not start the doom and gloom yet. If we still do not have a winning season by year 3 of JJ's coaching tenure then let's start crying. Look folks, we knew this was going to be a rough season when a true freshman qb was announced the starter. A freshman qb learning a tough offense with around half the starters being freshmen or redshirt freshmen. Also, the suspensions really hurt this team. I believe we would have beat S. Miss if we had both our starting receivers. Our D held a winning team to a touchdown in one half....pretty impressive. We are all frusterated but the recruiting is improving and 5 years is a long time to get this thing right. Although we did not win a conference game, many of our games were very competitive even with around half the starters being freshmen. When it is time for JJ to leave here, you will get a lot of quality coaches looking at this job assuming we are still competitive with the pay. Cheer up folks.....we are the best 1 win team in the country.

Agree with all your points except the one about a 1 win team. Nothing to cheer about when you are the world's tallest midget. That ain't saying much.

Just look at Rice, they are headed to their 2nd bowl game in 3 years. Does that mean their program is now "established"? Not necessarily. But they are headed in the right direction in a very short period of time, and that is all while they have had 2 coaching changes.

Given the current state of CUSA, I think we can see a bowl game in the next year or two. If we don't, then I'll be pissed off just like everybody else.

[Rebel_Pony]

Let's be serious here. This is C-USA, not the Big 12. SMU could win 7 games next year. Probably won't, but could. This is not a strong conference, and it will not take more than five years to put some wins on the board. Improved QB play, consistent WR play, and (most importantly) a little bit of defense can turn a 1 win team into a 5 win team in a heartbeat in this conference. Let's hope it happens.

[RGV Pony]

the worst part about all of this is that we are in CUSA. If we win 7, 8 or 9 wins everyone thinks it'll be a great story, everyone will want to come here, etc.

Problem is, look at Rice. How many people outside of Texas know they went 9-3 this year? They wound up the season with a game against their biggest rival with a fan base in the same city and still only drew what would fit into Ford.

[jkflamebo]

and rice got blown out by texas earlier this year. when you lose by 42 to anyone, you will get written off. only way you get recognition while playing in c-usa is if u put up big points and can shut down conference opponents. also gotta crush non-conf opponents. the conference lost credibility this year when tulsa struggled with ucf early and lost at arkansas. ecu also underperformed in a few games as well after starting out strong

[Pony81]

If we don't have 6-7 win season next year we will not attract the recruits in year 3 to see this program through a new coach when JJ leaves in year 5.

We either re-sign JJ in year 3 to a 5 year extension or announce a "coach in waiting". I think you will the "coach in waiting" played out in more and more programs as administrations tire of hiring a new coach who loses while he rebuilds with "his guys".