BCS Lawsuit
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:38 pmPage 1 of 1
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:38 pmPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:17 pmwaste of tax payer $$$
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:44 pmTotal Bullshit-that's part of the job description of an State Attorney General. I do think this is a matter that should be resolved through the Courts rather than wasting Congress' time but an Attorney General is the chief law enforcement officer of the State (including state divisions, departments and entities such as the University of Utah) and the Anti-Trust laws expressly provide for both a private and public enforcement of those laws through both private citizens AND the U.S. and State Attorneys General. Its part of his job. If the University of Utah's own lawyer is not going to enforce Anti-Trust violations affecting the University of Utah-who does.
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:35 pmJ.T.supporta wrote:waste of tax payer $$$
It's not your tax money, and I bet if you polled the average Utah-ite, (Utahian? Mormon?) he'd say that it was money well spent after last year.
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:13 pmStallion wrote:Total [deleted]-that's part of the job description of an State Attorney General. I do think this is a matter that should be resolved through the Courts rather than wasting Congress' time but an Attorney General is the chief law enforcement officer of the State (including state divisions, departments and entities such as the University of Utah) and the Anti-Trust laws expressly provide for both a private and public enforcement of those laws through both private citizens AND the U.S. and State Attorneys General. Its part of his job. If the University of Utah's own lawyer is not going to enforce Anti-Trust violations affecting the University of Utah-who does.
Ah, but what happens if the good folks in the BCS decide to add the Mountain West (unlikely)? How motivated will this guy be then?
Answer: Not very.
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:50 pmDooby wrote:. . . the good folks in the BCS. . .
There are good folks in the BCS?
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:02 pmAh...the method in the madness. There is more than one way to ease yourself into the ranks of BCS. "Make me an offer I can't refuse...please".Dooby wrote:Ah, but what happens if the good folks in the BCS decide to add the Mountain West (unlikely)? How motivated will this guy be then?
Answer: Not very.
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:23 pm
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:03 amon Killer Frogs:
Yesterday a US Senator was asked why Congress and the US Senate was dealing with a college football issue when so many other problems were pressing. His response was:
"Congress and the US Senate can actually deal with more than one problem at a time, you may be surprised to know"
"College football is no different than any other business enterprise in America, and in fact may be one of the biggest revenue producers in the nation. Unfairness in any marketplace will not be tolerated whether it is in sports, business or tiddlywink sales"
"When the BCS was formed, a logical argument could be made that it is a cartel. The cartel's apparent objective was to kill lesser colleges football programs, in the marketplace, by excluding their access to the same revenue sources that BCS conference teams enjoy. It seems clear to conclude that the BCS illegally attempted to damage smaller non-BCS conference colleges for BCS's own gain. I am convinced that the BCS tried to destroy smaller college football programs so that BCS conference teams would be the only source of college football in the country, thereby increasing their own revenues, dramatically. In the United States of America we call this kind of collusion and exclusionary tactics - criminal activity and we stop it in it's tracks."
"You may or may not know that penalties for this kind of activity are Treble (triple), as well as having to pay legal costs for both sides. The US legal system purposely imposes such a severe and overwhelming penalty so as to set an example for any other enterprise that may want to consider an illegal activity similar to this, and to also make them pay for delay tactics. Any cartel who loses a fight like this, will be hit so hard with monetary damages as to threaten their very existence, and the members who were part of the cartel. Damages were designed that way on purpose and we have no sympathy or compassion for guilty parties who subsequently claim a financial burden for having to pay the Treble damages. When dealing with guilty parties in this context the saying is PAY UP OR LIQUIDATE".
Yesterday a US Senator was asked why Congress and the US Senate was dealing with a college football issue when so many other problems were pressing. His response was:
"Congress and the US Senate can actually deal with more than one problem at a time, you may be surprised to know"
"College football is no different than any other business enterprise in America, and in fact may be one of the biggest revenue producers in the nation. Unfairness in any marketplace will not be tolerated whether it is in sports, business or tiddlywink sales"
"When the BCS was formed, a logical argument could be made that it is a cartel. The cartel's apparent objective was to kill lesser colleges football programs, in the marketplace, by excluding their access to the same revenue sources that BCS conference teams enjoy. It seems clear to conclude that the BCS illegally attempted to damage smaller non-BCS conference colleges for BCS's own gain. I am convinced that the BCS tried to destroy smaller college football programs so that BCS conference teams would be the only source of college football in the country, thereby increasing their own revenues, dramatically. In the United States of America we call this kind of collusion and exclusionary tactics - criminal activity and we stop it in it's tracks."
"You may or may not know that penalties for this kind of activity are Treble (triple), as well as having to pay legal costs for both sides. The US legal system purposely imposes such a severe and overwhelming penalty so as to set an example for any other enterprise that may want to consider an illegal activity similar to this, and to also make them pay for delay tactics. Any cartel who loses a fight like this, will be hit so hard with monetary damages as to threaten their very existence, and the members who were part of the cartel. Damages were designed that way on purpose and we have no sympathy or compassion for guilty parties who subsequently claim a financial burden for having to pay the Treble damages. When dealing with guilty parties in this context the saying is PAY UP OR LIQUIDATE".
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:19 amGiven that all of the Division 1A schools became a part of the BCS several years ago (and the only difference is the auto-bid conferences on paper), the University of Utah is suing itself under anti-trust laws. I think that is why many have said that such a suit cannot be maintained. Utah also for what its worth has cashed two BCS checks for its conference's share of BCS profits from its appearance in BCS bowl games. Given that it may find it has some problems down the line.
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:29 amEastStang wrote:Given that all of the Division 1A schools became a part of the BCS several years ago (and the only difference is the auto-bid conferences on paper), the University of Utah is suing itself under anti-trust laws. I think that is why many have said that such a suit cannot be maintained. Utah also for what its worth has cashed two BCS checks for its conference's share of BCS profits from its appearance in BCS bowl games. Given that it may find it has some problems down the line.
So, if a bunch of railroads got together to regulate freight rates and told the smaller railroads they had to join and accept second tier status to receive any business with the only alternative being run out of business and those small rail lines join initially but later decided to object, you are saying they have no case? I disagree.
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:21 pmEastStang is correct-with a percentage of probability of 99.99% that issue will be a key point in the first BCS Motion for Summary Judgment. Theoretically, Utah has conspired with itself by signing the very agreement which resulted in anti-trust violations. Quite frankly I'm not sure how it will turn out - it may depend on the Judge-but it is a major weakness in Utah's case. Utah and the MWC in fact did not have to sign the BCS agreement-they could have sued rather than waiting what 8 years