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Leading rusher out for the season with a torn ACL. Sucks for them.

And in related news, the crawl at the bottom of ESPN sure to inspire more wars of words amongst pf.com faithful..."...will miss the season, and will redshirt." Dude's already played. Redshirt gone.

RGV Pony wrote:Leading rusher out for the season with a torn ACL. Sucks for them.

And in related news, the crawl at the bottom of ESPN sure to inspire more wars of words amongst pf.com faithful..."...will miss the season, and will redshirt." Dude's already played. Redshirt gone.

Should be "will apply for a medical hardship waiver."

i believe he can redshirt...all depends on the amount of plays BSU runs for the rest of the season

could be wrong but i think theres a way for players who get injured this early in the season to redshirt based on the % of plays they partook in

plus he cannont ask for a medical hardship til all of his eligibility is out

J.T.supporta wrote:i believe he can redshirt...all depends on the amount of plays BSU runs for the rest of the season

could be wrong but i think theres a way for players who get injured this early in the season to redshirt based on the % of plays they partook in

plus he cannont ask for a medical hardship til all of his eligibility is out

Incorrect.

http://www.scarletknights.com/sportsmed ... aivers.htm

Medical Hardship Waiver

Each student-athlete has five years from his/her initial date of full-time enrollment in which he/she may compete three years (partial or non-qualifiers) or four years (qualifiers).

If a student-athlete competes during a season and is then injured to the point that he/she will not compete again that season, the student-athlete may regain the season of competition if all of the following conditions are met:
(a) The injury or illness suffered is incapacitating (i.e., season-ending); and
(b) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any two year or four-year collegiate institution; and
(c) The injury or illness occurs prior to the completion of the first half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (measured by the number of scheduled contests or dates of competition) and results in an incapacity to compete for the remainder of the playing season; and
(d) The injury or illness occurs before the student-athlete has participated in more than two events or 20 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled events in his or her sport.

Nature of Injury/Illness. It is not necessary for the incapacitating injury or illness to be the direct result of the student’s participation in the institution’s organized practice or game/competition. The student-athlete may qualify for the hardship waiver as a result of any incapacitating injury or illness occurring after the individual becomes a student- athlete by reporting on call for regular squad practice or after attending the first day of classes as a full-time student at a member institution.

Re-injury in Second Half of Season. A student-athlete who suffers an injury in the first half of the season that concludes with the NCAA championship, attempts to return to competition during the second half of that season and then is unable to participate further as result of aggravating the original injury does not qualify for the hardship waiver.

Request Procedure. Requests for medical hardship waivers must be made via the following procedure and must be made in writing at the end of the season for which the hardship waiver is being requested.
1. The head coach must make the written request to the Office of Compliance, including the following information: (a) date of injury; (b) nature of injury; and (c) schedule of competition (as of the first date of competition) for the season the athlete was injured/ill.
2. The Office of Compliance will request from the Director of Sports Medicine the appropriate medical documentation to support the hardship waiver.
3. The Office of Compliance will prepare and submit the formal request to the Conference office for consideration (if sufficient documentation exists to warrant the request).

here it is what i was talking about when it came to % of plays

" In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year. "



so there is a chance that he can still redshirt...it does happen...but it must be early in the season when that player gets hurt.


but he could still apply for a hardship waiver...he must use his eligibility...jordan shipley did it this year for UT

CalallenStang wrote:

J.T.supporta wrote:Re-injury in Second Half of Season. A student-athlete who suffers an injury in the first half of the season that concludes with the NCAA championship, attempts to return to competition during the second half of that season and then is unable to participate further as result of aggravating the original injury does not qualify for the hardship waiver.

I wonder if you can get a second half season waiver in football as it does not conclude with an NCAA championship?

J.T.supporta wrote:here it is what i was talking about when it came to % of plays

" In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year. "



so there is a chance that he can still redshirt...it does happen...but it must be early in the season when that player gets hurt.

10% of the year is gone. 10% of the season = slightly more than 1 game.

CalallenStang wrote:

J.T.supporta wrote:here it is what i was talking about when it came to % of plays

" In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year. "


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so there is a chance that he can still redshirt...it does happen...but it must be early in the season when that player gets hurt.

10% of the year is gone. 10% of the season = slightly more than 1 game.

When a player gets hurt it is 20%. Otherwise he burns his redshirt when he sets foot on the field.

SMU 86 wrote:

CalallenStang wrote:

J.T.supporta wrote:here it is what i was talking about when it came to % of plays

" In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year. "


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so there is a chance that he can still redshirt...it does happen...but it must be early in the season when that player gets hurt.

10% of the year is gone. 10% of the season = slightly more than 1 game.

When a player gets hurt it is 20%. Otherwise he burns his redshirt when he sets foot on the field.

20% = 9.6 quarters. When did he get hurt? Something tells me he will need the medical hardship waiver.

I spent a lot of time clearing this up on the Scout site when Darius got hurt-
there are 3 ways that you can get an extra year:

Again NCAA Manual is in pdf form so I'm not sure how to link the specific section but Bylaw 14.2.4 has several ways you can get a hardship waiver and one of the specific reasonsis if you play in less than 20% or 3 games. Then in 30.6 the NCAA has a separate rule for the waiver of the 5 Year Rule. So I think the correct terminology(rarely used I might add) is:

1. Redshirt
2. Hardship Waiver(more commonly known as medical redshirt)
3. Waiver of the 5 Year Rule(more commonly known as hardship waiver)
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search for NCAA Manual then put in Bylaw Nos. Plus I'm not sure they even include the mechanics of applying for the 14.2.4 hardship waiver in the Manual but 30.6.1 clearly provides that the waiver of the 5 year Rule occurs after the players eligibility has expired. I note that there is a reference to regulations implemented by the Committe in charge of supervising the Rules. See 14.2.4 So that maybe where the time for filing the 14.2.4 application for waiver of the rules is located

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Yeah both you and I have been saying that the 5 Year Waiver has to be after eligibility is complete. It's less conclusive as to when the Hardship Waiver(commonly referred to as the medical redshirt) can be granted. Its probably in the regulations that aren't part of the Manual. But I see one major difference between 14.2.4(Hardship Waiver) and 30.6(5 Year Waiver). The 14.2.4 waiver is determine by the school's conference offices with appeal rights to NCAA Committee) while the 30.6 Waiver is determined by the NCAA alone.

btw WSU 's RB James Montgomery the Cal transfer who picked up over a 100 yards in his first game-suffered a season ending injury against SMU-answering the question why he carried the ball so rarely Saturday.

http://washingtonstate.scout.com/a.z?s=137&p=2&c=901769

thanks always for clearing that up stallion!