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Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:15 pm
by KnuckleStang
I have never heard of that penalty being called, but Margus is going to have to be careful about that from here on out. I am sure Snyder's staff may have seen something on tape they thought was suspect, and "briefed" the officials about it before the game. We can expect to see more of that. Also, I hate to say it, but i worry about teams trying to chop block his knees to keep him low
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:36 pm
by Come and Take It
On kicks, you cannot touch the center. They changed this rule a while back. In theory, the centers head is down and he cannot see what is coming, so they made hitting him a penalty. It was done to protect against injury.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:37 pm
by huskerpony
The Marshall radio guys did say that Snyder had mentioned it to the press during the week and probably said something to the refs about it.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:38 pm
by davidpaul123
he got cut with a shot down low at the end of the game that nicked him up a little bit. i worry about the same thing. we need all the soldiers we can get on the DLine
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:28 pm
by ponyscott
Come and Take It wrote:On kicks, you cannot touch the center. They changed this rule a while back. In theory, the centers head is down and he cannot see what is coming, so they made hitting him a penalty. It was done to protect against injury.
But isn't it also fair game when the Center lifts his head to hike?
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:41 pm
by Three Putt
Come and Take It wrote:On kicks, you cannot touch the center. They changed this rule a while back. In theory, the centers head is down and he cannot see what is coming, so they made hitting him a penalty. It was done to protect against injury.
The center can be hit, but the rushers have to delay for a 1 count. If they don't, it's a personal foul.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:52 pm
by Terry Webster
I also think that you can't line up directly over the center anymore.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:09 pm
by PoconoPony
My understanding from the announcers was that Margus was pushing the center's head down on the snap and hurdling over him which is a penalty. When you really think about it the extra point kick is a fairly useless exercise which is successful 99.9% of the time and really does little for the challenge or excitement of the game. I would change the rule to allow a team all options to block the kick including hurdling blockers and leaping up on the back of D players to cut the angle and block kicks thereby making all kicks challenging and risky. If all kicks were made risky with a high chance of blocks then maybe teams would be forced into the 2 point conversion after every TD making games very interesting and field goals much more deliberated. Time to make the game more interesting, creative and less automatic.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:12 pm
by mrydel
Why not just require a 2 point conversion rather than all that fancy stuff?
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:57 pm
by KnuckleStang
mrydel wrote:Why not just require a 2 point conversion rather than all that fancy stuff?
It works in pee wee league!
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:57 am
by White Helmet
Im not sure what was going on at Marshall but on every kick Kennemer kept turning to the ref and pointing that the snapper was doing something but he never seemed to get what he wanted. Also on a side note the snapper for Marshall looked like he was 5'5" and about 120lbs.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:42 am
by SMU 86
We must have disrupted the kicker a little becuase he missed one Saturday.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:09 pm
by PoconoPony
mrydel wrote:Why not just require a 2 point conversion rather than all that fancy stuff?
Good point; however, I would still allow the extra point as an option to add interest. Problem is that it is too automatic, despite an occasional miss every season for most kickers, and really adds little interest. For that reason I would allow more options to block making the kick option very risky. If risky then more teams might go for the 2 if the risk factors were somewhat the same.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:11 pm
by mrydel
PoconoPony wrote:mrydel wrote:Why not just require a 2 point conversion rather than all that fancy stuff?
Good point; however, I would still allow the extra point as an option to add interest. Problem is that it is too automatic, despite an occasional miss every season for most kickers, and really adds little interest. For that reason I would allow more options to block making the kick option very risky. If risky then more teams might go for the 2 if the risk factors were somewhat the same.
2 point conversion or 1 point drop kick. Keep it simple.
Re: Roughing the snapper

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Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:44 pm
by sail420s
White Helmet wrote:Im not sure what was going on at Marshall but on every kick Kennemer kept turning to the ref and pointing that the snapper was doing something but he never seemed to get what he wanted.
I believe he would false start on every kick. Our guys kept pointing to him, but only got the call once.
The holding call on Sanders big return was crap. We were blocking properly, but one of their guys ran into the guy we were blocking and they both fell. If that wasn't bad enough, the ref that called it, who had his back to Sanders, said the block occurred after the catch. The kick was near its highest point in the air at the time of the "penalty". It was about a 30 yard mistake.
I'm not sure what happened to the officiating this year for the NCAA as a whole, but it has been horrible (especially the SEC). It is also very obvious that the refs are favoring the traditional big name teams.