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Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:15 am
by SMUstang
This actually wouldn't be a bad place for us right now.

SMU
TCU
Baylor
Rice
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Iowa State

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:28 am
by ponyte
Have to disagree. Too many small schools. We need a league dominated by state schools with solid D1A credentials. I have nothing against RU, BU, or TCU but I don't think a conference can flourish without the large alum base and state pride that can support a conference.

For me, a better possibility would be:

MU, KU, KSU, ECU, UCF ISU, SMU, UL, UC, UM (formally MSU), UH and TU. Assumes the Big XII and Big East implodes.

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:40 am
by Dooby
The NCAA six teams already playing together requirement would mean you would have to add 3 other C-USA teams. Stinks, but it would have to happen.

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:54 am
by StallionsModelT
I don't think Rice is going to be a factor in any realignment scenerios.

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:01 am
by RE Tycoon
Norm just advocated for the Best of the MWC, CUSA West and Big 12 leftovers to form a 14 or 16 team conference.

More talk coming up if you're interested.

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:03 am
by max the wonder dog
SMUstang wrote:This actually wouldn't be a bad place for us right now.

SMU
TCU
Baylor
Rice
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Iowa State


Add Tulsa for geographic compatability/savings on travel and another TV market and Memphis for basketball, FedEx money, and another TV market, and you are at 11 schools. Pick up one more school, maybe UTEP, Tulane or So. Miss., and there's a conference play-off.

Then again I ask Santa for a Rolex every year and I'm still wearing a Timex.

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:07 am
by StallionsModelT
Again, if we have Houston, what's the need for Rice?

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:11 am
by PK
StallionsModelT wrote:Again, if we have Houston, what's the need for Rice?

Carefull now...that could be said for TCU/SMU.

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:04 am
by huskerpony
No way Missouri and Kansas go anywhere that they can't put together a BCS autobid (unless the system changes dramatically and keeps them out.) So of those in your list, only Houston and Missouri have any significant points toward BCS qualification criteria. Missouri and Kansas will have to join with TCU, BYU, Utah, and Boise. Then probably Houston. I assume K St is a package with KU.

That leaves 4-8 spots depending on if they want 12 or 16, but 3 have to be current MWC teams to meet the 6 team BCS requirement. The rest they will probably fill to maximize their tv market for the Mountain.

Iowa St and Baylor are the wild cards. I seriously doubt MU and KU have any loyalty to either at this point, certainly not Baylor. People up here keep thinking Iowa St. would go MAC or even CUSA. Still, that leaves SMU, Baylor, Iowa St, Fresno, Nevada, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, and maybe Memphis plus the remaining 3 MWC teams available to potentially fill the remaining 1-5 spots.

I think we probably fit in that mix behind Baylor and ahead of Memphis/Rice/Tulsa/UTEP. So if they go 16, it would be between SMU, Iowa St, Fresno, Nevada, and the 3 MWC leftovers for the last 4 spots (or 5 if Missouri ever gets a Big Ten spot.) If the Big East blows up and Cincy and Louisville become available, we probably don't have a shot.

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:26 am
by abezontar
huskerpony wrote:No way Missouri and Kansas go anywhere that they can't put together a BCS autobid (unless the system changes dramatically and keeps them out.) So of those in your list, only Houston and Missouri have any significant points toward BCS qualification criteria. Missouri and Kansas will have to join with TCU, BYU, Utah, and Boise. Then probably Houston. I assume K St is a package with KU.

That leaves 4-8 spots depending on if they want 12 or 16, but 3 have to be current MWC teams to meet the 6 team BCS requirement. The rest they will probably fill to maximize their tv market for the Mountain.

Iowa St and Baylor are the wild cards. I seriously doubt MU and KU have any loyalty to either at this point, certainly not Baylor. People up here keep thinking Iowa St. would go MAC or even CUSA. Still, that leaves SMU, Baylor, Iowa St, Fresno, Nevada, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, and maybe Memphis plus the remaining 3 MWC teams available to potentially fill the remaining 1-5 spots.

I think we probably fit in that mix behind Baylor and ahead of Memphis/Rice/Tulsa/UTEP. So if they go 16, it would be between SMU, Iowa St, Fresno, Nevada, and the 3 MWC leftovers for the last 4 spots (or 5 if Missouri ever gets a Big Ten spot.) If the Big East blows up and Cincy and Louisville become available, we probably don't have a shot.



I'm not sure what you mean by BCS points, but doesn't Kansas have a few from their trip to the Orange Bowl in the 2007 season?

Re: Whorns Victims League

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:33 am
by huskerpony
abezontar wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by BCS points, but doesn't Kansas have a few from their trip to the Orange Bowl in the 2007 season?


I'm not sure, but I think that is outside of the 4-year evaluation period for the next round. I think it runs 2008-11 or 2009-12. If I remember that wrong, then yes they would.

BCS points come mainly from being ranked (and ranked in the top 10) at the end of the season. I believe that the average computer ranking for your entire conference also plays a role. Bowl game victories are irrelevant because there is no final BCS ranking after the bowls.