BCS Rankings

[abezontar]

TCU dropped from 6 to 8 in the latest BCS rankings.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSRankings

[Charleston Pony]

That's what really stinks about the whole BCS system. TCU never had a chance. Tennessee whips a horrible Miss St team and leapfrogs the toads. TCU whips a mediocre Cincy team and drops?

Of course, the only explanation is that the computer considers your opponents' opponents and how they did. After all, Miss St has been blown out by an average of 30 pts against the likes of Ky and Bama while Cincy only beat W.Va at W.Va, something Va Tech couldn't do. Oh, and wasn't that W.Va beating Pitt the other nite on national TV?

Beating So Miss might actually cause TCU to fall to #9. Imagine how far they might fall if they beat us by 50 pts?

I feel for TCU, but at the same time I will be the 1st to admit they aren't one of the top 6 teams in the country. They probably wouldn't even be in the picture if they played in a BCS conference, but it sure would be nice to change this system to give a TCU, Boise & Miami-Ohio a shot at an upper echelon BCS school. Heck, they will be lucky if they get to play a .500 BCS school, like Boise did last year.

[MrMustang1965]

Poor Froggies.

Here's one thing that a lot of folks don't think about sometimes. The 'almighty' BCS computer is programmed by a human. Humans can re-program that computer. If someone with the BCS would get off their a** and do that, the Froggies might have a chance. But, let's face it: the BCS gods don't want that to happen. Therefore, no reprogramming of the 'almighty' BCS computer.

Nov. 29, Ford Stadium. Watch history made. Take that last sentence whichever way you want. :whistling:

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[EastStang]

Actually their SOS went up only .12 while Tennessee's jumped by .20 as did their AP/ESPN rankings. The number that killed the Frogs were the other ranking numbers (The nerd rankings). They climbed almost 1.5 points, just enough to nudge the Frogs out of the top 6. That is why the BCS is so insidious. An undefeated Division I-A team cannot make the Top 6 because the writers and computer geeks won't rank them there.

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[MizterTea]

pretty good opinion on the froggie sitution... makes you realize that they can move to the MWC or stay in CUSA but could wind up STILL in the same boat as the rest of us 53 schools (outside looking in)
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TCU needs a dose of good old days

THE shady side of college football's bowl system was a lot more fun when everyone was honest about it.

Once upon a time, we always knew there would be backroom deals for the sake of television ratings and ticket demand. Some bowl executives practically boasted of it.

It was a rite of autumn.

This time of year, locker rooms, press boxes and hospitality rooms would be inundated with people in brightly colored pants and plaid sports coats.
Middle-aged gentlemen with nicknames like "Hoss," "Skeeter" or "Colonel" would sidle up to the nearest interesting bowl story -- like TCU -- or big-time draw.

And they would get to work. They would hammer out a bowl season that made most everyone happy, or at least made every bowl-eligible team feel like it was a part of something special.

They would slap backs, tell bad jokes and buy everyone a round. They would get some face time all over the room, yet always find extra time with athletic directors, coaches and school presidents, sticking bowl pins on them like they were prom dates. There was always a bit of shadiness to it all, but who cared? The deals would get done.

There was always an undertone of, "You scratch our backs, we'll scratch yours," and more often than not a true national championship game did not come about.

But at least one thing was certain.
Somewhere behind that cloud of cigar smoke and among those fellas in the loud clothes, someone would have found a place for undefeated TCU to have a shot at one of the big boys.

The only reason the current Bowl Championship Series even exists is because it is supposed to be the legitimate system that provides a true national championship game. Thus far, only three of the last five BCS games could be called legitimate national title games.

All the BCS has done is make us miss Hoss, Skeeter and the Colonel.

They would have found a way. A great TCU season would have been rewarded -- perhaps not perfectly -- but appropriately enough with a place in a high-level bowl game and a chance to state a case for national honors.

The Horned Frogs might not have earned a bid to a so-called national championship game, but neither would they have been left on the outside of the major games, as it appears they will be now.
The latest BCS ratings have TCU slipping to eighth, out of the top six that guarantees a spot in a BCS game and likely out of it altogether. The Frogs must finish among the top 12 BCS teams to even earn a passing glance, and they could improve their BCS standing with a win over Southern Miss on Thursday night.

But that rating likely will fall right back down with a season-ending game at winless SMU. Tell me if you thought Hoss, Skeeter or the Colonel ever considered strength of schedule.

As it is, the best the Frogs can hope for is a spot in the $1.3 million Liberty Bowl against a three- or four-loss team. They will have no chance of either the big-time BCS money (roughly $13 million) or notoriety of a bowl win over a top-five or top-10 team. TCU could well end up in the first Fort Worth Bowl.

Say what you will about the days of the thinly masked shadiness of the old bowl deals, but that system would have done better than this.

Hoss, Skeeter and the Colonel would have done more than collectively shrug and tell the world they're sorry TCU probably won't have a chance to face a top-10 team. That's what the BCS executives have told us, basing it all on numbers.

Leaders of the BCS held a news conference Sunday to give us some big news about the two high-level meetings it has had recently in an attempt to fix its many problems.

The news: There will be more meetings, studies, consultants hired and another update in 60 or 90 days. This is the BCS' interpretation of progress.

The sad part is that even if the BCS does eventually find some way for the 54 schools on the outside looking in to take part, it will do nothing for the 2003 Horned Frogs.

The sad part is that because of the clear two-class system the BCS has perpetuated, TCU has been pushed further down the bowl-system food chain than it ever was back in the days of the lime-green pants and plaid sport coats.

At least then, TCU had a chance. The Frogs could stand there face to face and state their case. Today, they are arguing with a brick wall.
Before the BCS ruined college football for non-BCS conferences, we might have known that some top-tier bowl games like the Sugar, Orange, Fiesta and Cotton would skip over an undefeated TCU in lieu of a better draw.

But we also knew that somewhere out there a deal would be cut to pit TCU against one of those big-name teams that "travels," the long-used term for schools whose fans follow their team by the thousands.

TCU-Michigan perhaps would be the matchup, revisiting the 1984 Holiday Bowl, when similarly disrespected BYU beat the Wolverines 24-17 to finish 13-0.

If the BCS executives really want to fix things and fix them fast, the only consultants they should hire are Hoss, Skeeter and the Colonel.
They'd have this thing ironed out by dinnertime and one heck of a hospitality room to boot.

[StangEsq]

Originally posted by Charleston Pony:
That's what really stinks about the whole BCS system. TCU never had a chance. Tennessee whips a horrible Miss St team and leapfrogs the toads. TCU whips a mediocre Cincy team and drops?

Of course, the only explanation is that the computer considers your opponents' opponents and how they did. After all, Miss St has been blown out by an average of 30 pts against the likes of Ky and Bama while Cincy only beat W.Va at W.Va, something Va Tech couldn't do. Oh, and wasn't that W.Va beating Pitt the other nite on national TV?

Beating So Miss might actually cause TCU to fall to #9. Imagine how far they might fall if they beat us by 50 pts?

I feel for TCU, but at the same time I will be the 1st to admit they aren't one of the top 6 teams in the country. They probably wouldn't even be in the picture if they played in a BCS conference, but it sure would be nice to change this system to give a TCU, Boise & Miami-Ohio a shot at an upper echelon BCS school. Heck, they will be lucky if they get to play a .500 BCS school, like Boise did last year.

TCU has had serveral "chances" this year, and they've repeatedly failed to impress. I know that you can't always forecast how good an opponent will be 3 years after you schedule them, but top-10 teams shouldn't finish the season with several near-losses against pathetic opponents like UAB, Tulane and Arizona. TCU should thank God that the BCS doesn't take into consideration margin of victory.

It's a joke that TCU is in the top 10. Does anyone seriously think that they could hang with Texas, LSU or Georgia? I would bet money that they would lose by 3 TDs against Texas Tech or Kansas State.

...and no, this isn't a homer post... I know TCU will beat us by 60... :w00t:

[EmeraldCityPony]

A win is a win is a win. Do you think that Baylor and Nevada are crying about their narrow escape against SMU?

[Dooby]

The simplest way to fix the BCS to correct cr@p like what TCU is going through, is to give a point bonus to a team that goes undefeated. I would limit it to teams that schedule a minimum 10 Div. 1A teams.

Of course if TCU had more impressive victories, they might be higher rated in the people polls and it wouldn't matter.

[ReedFrawg]

Keep in mind Georgia only beat UAB by 3 points.

[StangEsq]

Originally posted by EmeraldCityPony:
A win is a win is a win. Do you think that Baylor and Nevada are crying about their narrow escape against SMU?

No one is considering Baylor or Nevada for a BCS bowl, either.