SMU Athletics Admission Review Results

[Junior]

http://smu.edu/e/11/other/pdf/AthleticsAdmissionReviewRelease.pdf

[cutter]

interesting.
I guess, it's all good if everyone really is satisfied.

[az1]

I wonder who were the schools that the review committee checked out.

[SMU89]

Anyone shed some insight on recommendation to follow NCAA method of GPA?

Other than that they basically fixed communications process.

[SMU 86]

Anyone shed some insight on recommendation to follow NCAA method of GPA?

Other than that they basically fixed communications process.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Stallion]

Here's a good place to start. This is how the NCAA "calculates" Core GPA. If I had to guess it might involve recruits who retake a core course. Some schools blend the score I believe while others allow you to erase a prior bad grade

How do I calculate my Core Course GPA?
The Eligibility Center requires that you complete your core courses with a minimum GPA of 2.000. This is NOT the same as your overall high school GPA, since your high school GPA includes all of the courses you have taken, whether or not they are approved as core courses. Your core course GPA is calculated using only the core courses you have completed that are listed on your high school's list of approved core courses.

Calculating your core course GPA by hand involves the following steps:

1.List the title of your core courses, the grades earned, credits earned and weighted points for each course.
â—¦Be sure to only include courses on your school's List of Approved Core Courses.
2.Assign each course a unit value based on the credits earned.
1.1 year = 1.0 units
2.1 semester = .50 units
3.1 trimester = .33 units
3.Each grade earned has a specific value.
â—¦"A" = 4 points.
â—¦"B" = 3 points.
â—¦"C" = 2 points.
â—¦"D" = 1 point.
â—¦Note: The Eligibility Center does not use plus or minus grades.
4.Each honors course has an additional weighted point value between ".05" and "1.0".
5.Calculate the quality points earned for each course.
â—¦Add the grade value to the weighted point to get your total grade value for that course.
â—¦Multiply the total grade value by the unit value (credit earned). This is your quality point for that course.
â—¦For example: You received a "B" in a one-semester honors course with a weighted point value of ".80".
â– Your quality point calculation for that course would be: (3 + .80) * .50 = 1.9
6.Calculate your Final GPA.
â—¦Add up the total quality points earned.
â—¦Add up the total units completed (credits earned).
â—¦Divide the total quality points by the total units to get your Core Course GPA.
â—¦For example: 42 quality points / 14 core course units = 3.00 GPA.

[Stallion]

Here's an NCAA link that is about 2 years out of date but it makes some points that I believe are still valid in calculating GPA

Core course information– In Division I, a student may retake any core courses during that additional year at the same high school and substitute the new grade earned in that repeated year to recalculate the GPA.–
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Calculating Grade-Point Average• Only the best grades will be used.• Grades from additional core courses will be used only if they improve a student’sgrade-point average.• The following values are assigned to eachletter grade:A: 4 pointsB: 3 pointsC: 2 pointsD: 1 point
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Calculating Grade-PointAverage continued• If a high school uses numeric grades (e.g.,92, 93), those grades will be changed toreflect a letter grade.• Your high school’s grading scale isavailable on the school’s list of approvedcore courses.• If a high school uses plus and minusgrades, the plus or minus will not be usedto calculate a student’s core course gpa.
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Calculating Grade-Poin tAverage continued• If a high school normally weights honors or advanced courses, these weighted courses may improve a student’s core course gpa. The high school must notify the clearinghouse of the weighted grading scale.
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Calculating Grade-Point Average continued Course TitleCreditX Grade =Quality Points English 90.5A(0.5 x 4) = 2.0English 90.5B(0.5 x 3) = 1.5…………Total EnglishCreditsXXXTotal Quality Points= XXXTotal Quality Points/Total Number of Credits = Core Course GPA




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[SMU89]

Here's a good place to start. This is how the NCAA "calculates" Core GPA. If I had to guess it might involve recruits who retake a core course. Some schools blend the score I believe while others allow you to erase a prior bad grade

How do I calculate my Core Course GPA?
The Eligibility Center requires that you complete your core courses with a minimum GPA of 2.000. This is NOT the same as your overall high school GPA, since your high school GPA includes all of the courses you have taken, whether or not they are approved as core courses. Your core course GPA is calculated using only the core courses you have completed that are listed on your high school's list of approved core courses.

Calculating your core course GPA by hand involves the following steps:

1.List the title of your core courses, the grades earned, credits earned and weighted points for each course.
â—¦Be sure to only include courses on your school's List of Approved Core Courses.
2.Assign each course a unit value based on the credits earned.
1.1 year = 1.0 units
2.1 semester = .50 units
3.1 trimester = .33 units
3.Each grade earned has a specific value.
â—¦"A" = 4 points.
â—¦"B" = 3 points.
â—¦"C" = 2 points.
â—¦"D" = 1 point.
â—¦Note: The Eligibility Center does not use plus or minus grades.
4.Each honors course has an additional weighted point value between ".05" and "1.0".
5.Calculate the quality points earned for each course.
â—¦Add the grade value to the weighted point to get your total grade value for that course.
â—¦Multiply the total grade value by the unit value (credit earned). This is your quality point for that course.
â—¦For example: You received a "B" in a one-semester honors course with a weighted point value of ".80".
â– Your quality point calculation for that course would be: (3 + .80) * .50 = 1.9
6.Calculate your Final GPA.
â—¦Add up the total quality points earned.
â—¦Add up the total units completed (credits earned).
â—¦Divide the total quality points by the total units to get your Core Course GPA.
â—¦For example: 42 quality points / 14 core course units = 3.00 GPA.

If you correctly calculate your Core GPA after reading this, add 2 pts to your English and Math Core Courses.

[SMU89]

Bottom line, should we assume this is a more lenient way to derive GPA. In other words, one might get a higher GPA the NCAA way vs. the old SMU way? Or, this eliminates confussion through standardization.

[cutter]

Bottom line, should we assume this is a more lenient way to derive GPA. In other words, one might get a higher GPA the NCAA way vs. the old SMU way?

I'm assuming that must be the case, otherwise why make the change? they wouldn't make admissions more difficult, would they? maybe, a middle-ground improvement in admissions criteria.

[peruna11]

I just hope June really is happy with it, and this isn't just making happy faces.

[Pony_Fan]

Basically says nothing other than everyone is pleased. Let's hope the coaching staff is ok w/ the process.

[Stallion]

Of course, this change likely would have no apparent affect on the Brenham recruit who was supposedly denied admission because he was told his "SAT was too low". No mention of changes to SMU standards for admission of recruits with a very low SAT(say below 700 for example)

There has been no public mention of the reasons Darryl Jackson was not admitted or (more precisely was offered delayed admission if he made a 2.0 in 2 JUCO classes)

[SMU89]

From DC....

Faculty senate voted to approve two changes to the athletic admissions process Wednesday afternoon that were proposed by the athletics admissions review committee.
The changes to the athletic admissions policy applied to the GPA admissions standard and to the appeals process for those who are denied admission.
The changes are part of a set of 21 recommendations and three suggestions by the athletic admissions review committee. The committee was formed after two football players were denied admission to SMU over the summer after they had been told they were accepted.
Faculty senate was required to vote on the two measures at its Oct. 6 meeting because the measures would change admissions policy.
SMU President R. Gerald Turner approved the changes and other committee recommendations immediately after Wednesday's faculty senate meeting.
"In recent years we have made much progress in streamlining our processes, but we needed to look at our procedures again, especially with regard to how they are communicated to the students and their families," Turner said. "I concur with the committee that the recommended adjustments will enable athletics recruitment to be competitive and will help prospective student athletes to understand better their opportunities for an SMU education."
The first change faculty senate approved was the type of GPA needed for a potential student athlete to be deemed admissible.
Student athlete applicants previously needed an SAT score of 900 or higher (ACT 19) and a SMU 2.5 GPA to be deemed admissible. This does not mean they are admitted automatically, but rather, applicants who fall under this category do not have to go through the Faculty Athletics Admissions Subcommittee (FAAS) for review.
Applicants whose SAT score is lower than 900 (or ACT 19) or whose SMU GPA is lower than 2.5 automatically go to the FAAS for admissions review. The FAAS reviews athlete applications to determine whether they will be able to handle SMU's academic load.
But under the changed policy, applicants will need an SAT score of 900 or higher (ACT 19) and an NCAA 2.5 GPA to be deemed admissible. Students whose qualifications are lower than that will be referred to the FAAS.
NCAA calculates GPA by taking the highest grade if a student has repeated a course. SMU calculates GPA by factoring in all grades, even when a student has repeated a course.
Additionally, the NCAA's high school course load recommendations are less than the courses SMU recommends. For instance, SMU recommends that a student have taken three social science courses, whereas the NCAA recommends two.
Faculty senate President Linda Eads said this change will help students and coaches navigate the admissions process.
"It uses a rubric that coaches understand," Eads said. "Coaches generally don't know what the SMU GPA is."
Matthew Wilson, a member of the faculty senate's Athletic Policy Committee, proposed the change. Wilson said the athletic department wanted clarity in the admissions process and the change "was a significant step in that direction."
Wilson noted that multiple schools often court the same player, and that the athletes are more familiar with the NCAA GPA than the SMU GPA because many schools use the NCAA GPA.
Wilson also noted that the NCAA standards have become more rigorous in recent years, which is why he was comfortable with proposing that SMU use the NCAA GPA.
Vicki Hill, director of the Altshuler Learning Enhancement Center, said the change to GPA considerations was fairer to athletes and coaches.
"It's just a number that is easier for people outside [of SMU] to calculate," she said.
The second change that faculty senate approved was a streamlining of the appeals process for denied applicants.
Previously, denied applications could be appealed by going back to who first denied them (either an admissions officer or the review committee). If that appeal was denied, then the athletic department could go to the Dean of Admission.
Applicants also had the option to appeal a denial by going directly to the Dean of Admission.
Under the new process, all appeals will go directly to the Dean of Admission. The dean will then consult with others, including the FAAS.
Eads said the change would provide clarity to the process and put the review process "where it belongs."
Faculty senate would be able to review and control the changes, according to Eads. She reminded senate that if the changes cause problems with students being admitted without the necessary academic skills, they could always return to the previous policy.
Above all, she said, SMU should not be admitting students who aren't able to succeed.

[Mexmustang]

One of the big issues was consistancy in computing the gpa, especially when re-taking core courses. Basically the issues were objective definitions (objectivity), consistancy in application, appication of NCAA guidelines, and finally transparancy. I understand that June and Steve were able to make a good presentation to a receptive audience of faculty, administration and outsiders. If this was the case we may have really made some progress between a number of factions that may have had the wrong oppinion of one another and made real progress uniting the university.