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I'm Just going to go ahead and say he is not getting better.
IMO when he played in Hawaii I don't think he knew June's offense . He got rid of the ball fast perhaps only looking at one or two receivers. Maybe he would be more effective gong back to that rather than taking 8 seconds to check down and do what he's been doing.

At this point I see him as one step above BLM.

He's in a rut — true. But he also threw for more than 300 yards and a pair of scores with those INTs.

Not great, not awful. We have other issues that need addressing.

Mestengo wrote:I'm Just going to go ahead and say he is not getting better.
IMOP when he played in Hawaii I don't think he knew June's offense . He got rid of the ball fast perhaps only looking at one or two receivers. Maybe he would be more effective gong back to that rather than taking 8 seconds to check down and do what he's been doing.

At this point I see him as one step above BLM.

He might be more than one step above BLM................but he hasn't gotten any better as the season has gone on.

I have been watching the games with DVR in slow motion without a buzz. You need a general.
You can blame alot of different things. But make no mistake it begins with him.

Last season, because of the speed of the other players on the field, he could stay with the first read and make a quick decision because someone would get open.

Right now, Robinson is doubled almost every play. Don't forget that in the offense last season, the top options were Sanders, Robinson, Wilkerson, and Beasley. Right now, Beasley is the number two option a lot of the time. Any play where either Beasley or Haynes are the second option on the read takes a lot longer to develop than last season (where the second read was Wilkerson or Robinson). If Padron was more experienced, he would bail off that read sooner and hit the third or fourth option. But he is holding and waiting, our o-line isn't great (it is adequate, but not good enough to support a long first read), and that hurts.

In short, I think his inexperience is getting exposed a bit more this season because of losses at WR and Enright.

Jason watch all of the passes over the head behind etc .
You can blame others in a route where the ball has left his hands and has a predetermined landing target. But you have to adapt to change fast and put it where its going to count .

The line is giving him PLEnTY of time 4 + seconds are you kidding me?

Mestengo wrote:I'm Just going to go ahead and say he is not getting better.
IMOP when he played in Hawaii I don't think he knew June's offense . He got rid of the ball fast perhaps only looking at one or two receivers. Maybe he would be more effective gong back to that rather than taking 8 seconds to check down and do what he's been doing.

At this point I see him as one step above BLM.

That's harsh, Bo Levi was a trainwreck (33 picks in 19 games), Padron isn't anywhere near that bad but he seems far too indecisive to ever be a top R&S QB.

Perhaps it's time to give JJ McDermott a shot...................

PonyTales wrote:He's in a rut — true. But he also threw for more than 300 yards and a pair of scores with those INTs.

Stats were very misleading today.
If you've watched him throughout the year, he seems to have hit a glass ceiling and stopped maturing.
Hopefully this is the stereotypical 'sophomore slump' and he can blossom next year. But he is costing SMU wins right now. Makes me sad to say that, but hard not to after Navy and Houston.

Mestengo wrote:Jason watch all of the passes over the head behind etc .
You can blame others in a route where the ball has left his hands and has a predetermined landing target. But you have to adapt to change fast and put it where its going to count .

The line is giving him PLEnTY of time 4 + seconds are you kidding me?

Things aren't always as black and white as that. There was a play today where Houston was blitzing the world. Nobody on Beasley. He looks over and expects Beasley to cut his route off and sit in the open area for a quick pass, but Beasley runs straight up the field, never looks back. Padron has no chance and is sacked.

On another play, Beasley runs a curl, then starts running outside. He is supposed to come straight back, not side to side. Kyle throws a pass that looks like it is behind the WR, but it is really right at where Beasley should be making the adjustment to.

Not saying that KP isn't having problems, he certainly is. And it is painful to watch, especially when that first read fails, he starts to run, then remembers that JJ doesn't want him to run, so then he looks at a third option, and then gets stripped from behind after like 5 seconds.

But, what I am going to suggest is that he is a young, very inexperienced player who is suffering from not having NFL level playmakers around him in Sanders and McNeal. JJ wants to win as much as anyone on here. He proved last season that he doesn't get married to a QB. If McDermott was the answer, he would be in there by now. But either he isn't or JJ thinks Padron is close.

His stats last year in 7 games:
135/201, 67.1%, 1922, 10 TD, 4 INT

His stats this year in 8:
177/301, 59%, 2136, 21 TD 8 INT

I would take a lot of things from that:
1) He is being asked to bear a lot more of the burden of the offense, with more attempts per game.
2) Yards per completion is down because of McNeal and Sanders.
3) TDs are way up because we are asking him to throw in the redzone instead of giving it to McNeal.
4) Obviously, the increase in INT and decrease in percentage are the main concerns.

I guess I would place that more on the receivers than I would by claiming he has hit some magic glass ceiling. He is still a young kid. Flashback to BLM if you need to remember how a bad QB looks in this offense, regardless of the quality of receiver.

We have a very young offense in general. AR is our most significant offensive senior. Dang near the entire line, most receivers and all the backfield should be back next year. Padron is working through his reads. As complex as this offense is, it will take him time to get super proficient. He has done very well in plenty of games.

UH was very well prepared for this game and executed on D. And UH has some good athletes which created a different set of challenges for us.

This wasn't Padron's best game but one could hardly get too wound up over his performance. He didn't play defense (and some may argue that nobody else on the SMU's squad did either). The D just didn't do what it is capable of doing this game. The D has won some games but this one may be a game the D lost.

This is still a good team. Just tonight wasn't its best effort.

Learn from this game and Beat Tulane.

ponyte wrote:We have a very young offense in general. AR is our most significant offensive senior. Dang near the entire line, most receivers and all the backfield should be back next year. Padron is working through his reads. As complex as this offense is, it will take him time to get super proficient. He has done very well in plenty of games.

UH was very well prepared for this game and executed on D. And UH has some good athletes which created a different set of challenges for us.

This wasn't Padron's best game but one could hardly get too wound up over his performance. He didn't play defense (and some may argue that nobody else on the SMU squad did either). The D just didn't do what it is capable of doing this game. The D has won some games but this one may be a game the D lost.

This is still a good team. Just tonight wasn't its best effort.

Learn from this game and Beat UTEP.

Don't you mean beat Tulane?

ponyte wrote:We have a very young offense in general. AR is our most significant offensive senior. Dang near the entire line, most receivers and all the backfield should be back next year. Padron is working through his reads. As complex as this offense is, it will take him time to get super proficient. He has done very well in plenty of games.

UH was very well prepared for this game and executed on D. And UH has some good athletes which created a different set of challenges for us.

This wasn't Padron's best game but one could hardly get too wound up over his performance. He didn't play defense (and some may argue that nobody else on the SMU's squad did either). The D just didn't do what it is capable of doing this game. The D has won some games but this one may be a game the D lost.

This is still a good team. Just tonight wasn't its best effort.

Learn from this game and Beat Tulane.

Thanks. 10 hours in a car makes one a bit punch drunk.

Would add that teams have more game film.

Yesterday I read on the game thread where someone was comparing KP w/UH's QB and it was stated that last year KP had a simple game plan as does the UH one this year. Can the system be simplified for him--in some way--so that it is easier for him? Is our offense that hard to run?