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From the site of the Daily Campus. Interesting reading once again, given Saturday's debut of Pony Excess.

Hopefully this whole bit is cathartic and we look forward to when we'll be thinking back to the JJ years instead of at the dark shadow that's haunted us

http://www.smudailycampus.com/polopoly_ ... ishops.pdf

Everyone needs to read this report. Then when you start that "Everyone was doing it crap" come back and fill me in on violations at ANY school where the President, Athletic Director, Head Football Coach, Chairmen of the Board of Govenor's and the Big Time Trustees of the University had anything like this knowledge and involvement. See the facts concerning the Dale Hansen Report really didn't get SMU the Death Penalty. The Bishops Report establishes the facts that got SMU the Death Penalty. There has never been an NCAA probation with this type of textbook clear Lack of Institutional Control

At its core-SMU got the Death Penalty because of William P. Clements-his lack of moral compass, lack of responsible leadership and in order not to ruin his reelection bid. My favorite part is about 1983 (4 years before the Death Penalty) when Clements turns to an indignate President Shields and says "calm down-you don't think we got these Blue Chippers from around the Country because they liked the Color of our Red and Blue Uniforms-do you?

I knew Collins didn't cooperate...but the report really makes him sound belligerent...he took his termination docs, his check, and punched out.

They each signed non-disclosure docs in order to get their money.

Stallion wrote:They each signed non-disclosure docs in order to get their money.

right. and the draft included a promise to cooperate in an investigation. Hitch and Parker agreed to. Collins refused. Page 33 of the report.

Stallion....


I suggest you read the report....

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A stroll down bad memory lane. Basically, Clements and Blount were the moving forces. After saying 1985 that they would stop making payments, they continued to do so and that is what got us the death penalty. Hitch was the patsy. Collins' assistants were the bag men. I still laugh about the story where two football players broke into the coach's office and stole the payroll and wouldn't give it back. Basically saying, go ahead and arrest us! Shields was the Sergent Shultz of the crew. I do want to make one point, no where in that report is there a single allegation of academic impropriety, and yet Pye instituted "academic reforms" piled on by the Faculty Senate which increased the death penalty from two years to twenty-five. That was the real tragedy of this whole story.

At 7:30 a.m. on November 11, 1983, Clements, Cox:, Shields and McElhaney met for breakfast at the
Student Center on the SMU campus. This meeting preceded, a meeting of the Board of Trustees
scheduled for 9:00 a.m. McElhaney summarized for the group the Boone and Hollie information
about payments to football players.
Shields expressed his disgust and indignation at the situation and told the group that tbe payments
had to stop. Clements told Shields to calm down and not be so self-righteous. He said that he and
Cox already knew about the payments and were taking care of the situation. When Shields protested
that he certainly had not known anything about such payments, Clements told him that he must
have been remarkably naive. Clements asked Shields whether he thought all the nationally recruited
high school football players had found their way to SMU by accident or had chosen SMU In·
stead of UCLA or Oklahoma because tbey liked SMU's school colors.
Clements said that he and Cox would "take care of it." He told Shields to "stay out of it" and "go
run the University." Clements and Cox made it absolutely clear that McElhaney was to stop asking
questions of SMU football players.

EastStang wrote:A stroll down bad memory lane. Basically, Clements and Blount were the moving forces. After saying 1985 that they would stop making payments, they continued to do so and that is what got us the death penalty. Hitch was the patsy. Collins' assistants were the bag men. I still laugh about the story where two football players broke into the coach's office and stole the payroll and wouldn't give it back. Basically saying, go ahead and arrest us! Shields was the Sergent Shultz of the crew. I do want to make one point, no where in that report is there a single allegation of academic impropriety, and yet Pye instituted "academic reforms" piled on by the Faculty Senate which increased the death penalty from two years to twenty-five. That was the real tragedy of this whole story.

Amen, brother, Amen.

Our players were greedy, not stupid. Wish I could say the same for Pye et. al.

Stallion wrote:At 7:30 a.m. on November 11, 1983, Clements, Cox:, Shields and McElhaney met for breakfast at the
Student Center on the SMU campus. This meeting preceded, a meeting of the Board of Trustees
scheduled for 9:00 a.m. McElhaney summarized for l,be -group the Boone and Hollie information
about payments to lootball players. .
Shields expressed his disgust and indignation at the situation and told the group that tbe payments
had to stop. Clements told Shields to calm down and not be so self-righteous. He said that he and
Cox already knew about the payments and were laking care of the situation. When Shields protested
that be certainly had not known anything about such payments, Clements told him that he must
have been remarkably naive. Clements asked Shields whetber he thought all the natlonally recruited
high school lootball players bad lound their way to SMU by accident or bad chosen SMU In·
stead 0f UCLA or Oklahoma because tbey liked SMU's school colors.

did you type that one-handed while driving?

used copy function-and since it was from old print it didn't all copy well. I cleaned it up a little.

But it is a crucial point in the Death Penalty episode and it happened 4 years before the Death Penalty. Not only did SMU have "Lack of Institutional Control" for a minimum of half a decade, SMU actually also had "Actual Institutional Control Over the Cheating".

Stallion wrote:SMU actually also had "Actual Institutional Control Over the Cheating".

Exactly what Thaddeus said during his interview with Sean Bass yesterday

Stallion wrote:Everyone needs to read this report. Then when you start that "Everyone was doing it crap" come back and fill me in on violations at ANY school where the President, Athletic Director, Head Football Coach, Chairmen of the Board of Govenor's and the Big Time Trustees of the University had anything like this knowledge and involvement.

I have no dispute with SMUs case or the punishment. But I am curious when you say that no other school was so deeply involved. Do you know for a fact that some top administrators were not involved at TCU, Texas, A&M etc or are you just assuming this based on what the NCAA may or may not have discovered? Granted SMUs case went way beyond the norm, but I would not be surprised one bit if payments at other schools were not common knowledge by a quite a few top officials, even if they ignored them. I'm sure the death penalty was a wake up call and schools had to change their methods.

That was a question-a question nobody on this board will respond to with a legitimate comparison.